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Are asexuals 'fake oppressed'? **Mod Note in Post #221**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    For them to expect me to go along with something I know is untrue or tell me I should be aware of your sexual preference is where I get slightlybothered. Have whatever sex drive/preference you want, just don't tell me about it.

    Thank you for bringing it up though. It has been interesting and I hope that you have heard what you needed to hear.

    Jesus, Freud would be on his 3rd pencil.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    In the context of the conversation, I think it would be fair to assume it was me.

    But if you weren't, then please let us know who you were referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I understand that you would prefer that everyone agrees with you

    Agree with what?



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Agree with your position on certain topics. This one in particular. I thought that was clear. Try not to mention "Freud" in your response.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No. As I said, it's an old phrase, and a well known phrase.

    But the responses do reveal more great examples of those who simply can't help but make everything all about themselves.

    And then accuse others of narcissistic behaviour.



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    Make sure you check your mirrors when you back up that fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Thanking someone who announced themselves as asexual for initiating a conversation isn't even somewhat controversial or odd.

    I wish them nothing but happiness and am sad that they were dismissed as disingenuous.

    While I think the need for awareness of Asexuality is redundant, I am glad that we get to have the conversation to see both sides of the story. Without the conversation, we wouldn't be able to see why others feel differently. It's both healthy and cathartic.

    However, you don't see things the same way and think that opposing views should be ridiculed and "Freudian". I find that a little dismissive, but not unexpected.

    When opinions are brought into the light, the truth will out. Which is why I assume that people don't like contentious topics to be aired. Dissenting or alternative opinions are often shut down and people try to mock, ridicule or shame people in a dishonest manner.

    So again, for clarity, I think asexual day of awareness is a nonsense, but am glad that the asexual poster spoke about it to allow the discussion to happen and allow me to get my point across.

    Conversations are good things in my opinion. And while you may disagree with the premise, it's always healthy to be able to explain why.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Who has made it about themselves? Please be specific.

    I again assume you are talking about me, not to be narcissistic, but it does seem like a pointed response in the context of this thread. If I am wrong, and you are just rambling off one line phrases, you aren't adding to the conversation.

    I have simply said that a day of recognition for people who have a low or non existent sex drive, is pointless. People who have that lack of desire are aware of it, people who don't have that lack of desire don't care. Not in a mean or unsympathetic way, but just in a "none of my business" way. If that was the case, we should have a day of awareness of people who want to have sex a couple of times a week. We don't. Because it's not of concern to anyone except the people who feel that way.

    But apparently, you may, (or may not depending on how honest you are) be calling me narcissistic for engaging in a conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why does anyone need to know how you feel about it?

    It doesn't effect you in anyway and you have stated multiple times you have no interest in it.

    So what exactly are you bringing to the table in terms of broadening the discussion around an issue that effects real people.

    Again multiple times you have stated it is silly and you don't want to hear about it, yet here you still are demanding conversation.

    If that isn't Freudian, I don't know what is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭crusd


    Nobody is telling you anything.

    Is everything published on the internet directed at you?



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Not at all. But I do expect that I am allowed to voice my opinion on topics on a discussion forum. Would you prefer if I didn't give an opinion that you disagree with? I assume that you would have no issue if I responded in a way you agree with.

    But a day of awareness is pretty much telling me I should be aware of whatever the topic is. That's the point. And my opposing view is what I am espousing. You seem to not to want to be aware of my opinion. That's fair. But I don't have a day of awareness for Yvonne's opinions. I can only get my point across by having a conversation.

    If you were being consistent, then you should ignore my point published on the internet in the same way you feel I should ignore the day of recognition for asexuals. But you didn't. You responded because you disagreed. Much as I did.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    So your point is…. and I want to be sure I am clear…. If you don't like something, you should shut up and ignore it.

    So a day of awareness should be ignored.

    That's an oxymoron if ever i've heard one.

    Any conversation about why it may be unnecessary is Freudian.

    Ironically, the poster that started this conversation was called disingenuous so was dismissed.

    I guess you need to walk in lockstep with the most virtuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So a day of awareness should be ignored.

    For you personally. Well yes. If it hurts your feelings and has absolutely no bearing on your life what so ever.

    This isn't very complicated.

    It's is infinitely easier to ignore it, than engage in something you think is silly and you don't want to know about it.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Well I disagree.

    If a topic is brought up on a discussion board and I have an opinion on it, I should engage in order to either educate others on my take on it and to learn from others who have an opposing view. Echo chambers are never a good thing.

    Unfortunately, a select few find it easier to browbeat opposing views into silence or submission.

    And yet again, you are being very (let's say) "ungenerous" with your words to say that the topic "hurts my feelings". I haven't been overly emotive nor have I spoken passionately. I am just giving my opinion.

    But I'm sure that this comes across as Freudian to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If a topic is brought up on a discussion board and I have an opinion on it

    You have given your opinion on it multiple multiple times.

    You don't think there should be awareness for asexuals because you think it is silly and you personally do not want to hear about it.

    Unfortunately, a select few find it easier to browbeat opposing views into silence or submission.

    From post one, this is exactly what you have tried to do.

    So basically you are demanding to educate people whilst at the same time saying you don't want to know anything about awareness on this topic.

    That is pretty weird isn't it?

    But it is by design isn't it?

    You have absolutely no interest in discussing the topic in good faith and have hijacked the thread to make it about you and your "feelings".

    Me me me opinion!



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Well pretty much everything you said is false. I am giving my opinion, while listening to others. I believe the only self confessed Asexual person in the thread was called disingenuous because someone didn't like what he said. I found that interesting.

    My feelings (otherwise known as opinions) are quite important to me. It shapes how I think about topics and things. Again, if a discussion board isn't the right place to speak about my opinions (or "feelings") then I don't know where would be. It seems to me that you just don't like to hear what I have to say. And that's fine. But ironically, if you didn't engage with me, I wouldn't have such a presence on the thread.

    I have every interest in discussing this topic, but seemingly, I'm not discussing it in the way you like. Feel free to take your own advice and ignore my comment. After all, not everything on the internet is for you. If you continue to engage with me, I am more than willing to engage back, but if you feel we have reached an impasse, then I am more than happy for you to decide to not respond.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Celmullet


    This thread is bizarre. Days of awareness are for the people who need them. I don't have a cervix, so should cervical cancer awareness days be removed because they don't impact my life personally?

    I glanced through the thread and someone brought up the main point as to why asexuals (actually any sexuality) may have an awareness day, it is so that people don't feel alone and that if people start dating they can seek out the same orientation in potential partners. We know that too many gay people went into loveless marriages and just sucked it up and had families because that's what society thinks they should do. Probably the same with asexuals, and awareness days just gives them the information to say they are not alone.

    There are awareness days for pretty much anything, if it is not something that impacts your life then move on, there are plenty of other things to look at on the internet.

    Post edited by Celmullet on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jesus títty Christ, you have stated multiple times you do not want to hear about the topic nor should there be awareness about it while at the same time demanding conversation.

    Or as you put it 'educating' people. 🤣

    It's beyond parody.

    Anyway I'm done with you, as I am guilty as anyone in helping you hijack the thread.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    A fair point.

    But also, if an awareness day becomes so diluted, which I personally think it has reached that point already, it actually has no impact.

    In this day and age, I don't think any Asexual people were sitting at home feeling like they were the only person feeling like this. A quick google of the way they feel would suffice.

    A day of recognition just seems trite and silly.

    And no, I don't think cervical cancer awareness day should be removed, because it might prompt people to get checked. Does Asexual awareness day prompt people to check if they like sex?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's pretty simple.

    Rowling is a hateful person and bully, there is people who fully subscribe to her bigotry.

    So when she yet again behaves like a bullying asshóle on twitter under the guise yet again of being a victim, like minded bigots file in and try and justify her assholery.

    It's not complicated.

    It's just boring.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Educating people about my stance. As in telling people that some people feel different to how they feel. Educating simply meant just letting others know opinions they may not have heard. It wasn't a posturing thing. I feel educated by hearing others opinions. I'm not immediately dismissive of other peoples point of view.

    Anyway, I look forward to not having to respond to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 115 ✭✭Celmullet


    Some people would absolutely be unaware about cervical cancer if the awareness days don't exist. Before Movember became a thing, a lot of guys I knew in our 20s had no idea about prostate cancer and that it was an issue they had to be concerned with.

    The thing is, you have no idea how being asexual could harmfully impact someone's life, as it doesn't impact yours.

    Most of our media is geared towards relationships, sex, children but if you didn't have the urges to be intimate with someone that could impact your mental health thinking things like "Everyone does this so what is wrong with me". Then getting yourself into situations that you don't really want to be in just to conform to societal norms. Gay people had to do the same, that's why there were so many who came out later in life after having families.

    Yes, the internet exists but not everyone is internet literate. So having a day that might cross a person's feed, to make them click and go "Oh! I'm not bad or wrong, I'm asexual" takes no skin off my nose and could make someone else's life better, what is the harm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,938 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep being the 1% is not an easy life, particularly if you feel alone in it. Honestly openness on issues like this are more likely to help the mental health of people affected. Meanwhile posters likening it to kinks are being pretty nasty tbh.



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