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Are asexuals 'fake oppressed'? **Mod Note in Post #221**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Good points all!


    I can harken back to many occasions where the idea of sex with any woman in a particular group would be the last thing on my mind. One has to account for the unprepossessing factor.

    I think JK Rowling may have had this in mind, the whole aesthetics vs ethics debacle in Classical philosophy. You can’t just screw a square peg into a round hole without a lot of resistance…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,429 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The point of awareness days and the like is to, well, make people aware that something exists. I'm surprised that had to be explained. There's multiple people in the thread with no clue what asexual means are pretty clear evidence there is not much awareness. Denying that happened is hilarious.

    It people don't care for it, that's fine. They can ignore it and move on. But honestly having an issue and/or pretending it's not real is weird. The point of awareness to partial normalise. That obvious upsets Rowling as the adjacent to other sex/gender awareness and acceptance.

    Rowling was being a dick. She had become a very bitter person. And morphed from a feminist role model, into a bit of a laughing stock like many others. She wasn't just making a joke, she doesn't try to hide her agenda in subtlety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭George White


    I consider myself sexless.

    I don't want sex.

    Gay people, as one of JK's Irish pals pointed out quite like sex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's neither?

    I believe that it's purely about the desire to have sex. So one could be straight or gay and be asexual. I'm not asexual but the best way i can describe it is that in most of the times I've been in a relationship I've not been having sex. Most of the time is spent dating, holding hands on walks etc. I'd imagine an asexual can still be into all that stuff and yet have no desire for sex. And therefore they could still be attracted to one gender and at the same time not be sexually attracted to them.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I'm not annoyed. I am contributing to a discussion on a discussion forum.

    The fact that I don't feel that I need to be aware of someone's lack of sexual attraction hurts you so much, maybe you should be aware of my right to feel that way.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭NattyO


    Ooof.

    I believe this is what the young people refer to as "throwing shade"



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I agree. It's not for most people. I just wish people just kept themselves to themselves and interacted with likeminded people. The insistence that EVERYONE needs to acknowledge them is narcissistic at best. Live your best life as long as you are being legal. We don't need to know your antics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Pretty easy for you to continue to ignore it but apparently want to participate in a discussion about it instead…



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I'll have a conversation about anything I believe in. I feel that I have a point of view that is valid. You might not like it, but thats not a "me" problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    By the latter you mean someone with a low/no sex drive, right?

    Why on earth would anyone need an awareness day for this? Do we need an awareness day for people who never have any desire to eat peanuts? People who don't like running? A "No sports day"?

    And, more importantly, is an Awareness day meant to achieve anything other than sell cheap t-shirts and Chinese-made flags? If so, shouldn't we limit them to, you know, things that need awareness in the general public? Not people's sex drive, which IMO is just someone's individual personality. If it's even that.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭George White


    See, I wanted to be a TERF because I wanted to protect vulnerable women. I am trans-ish, but I felt vulnerable women who rely on single spaces were more important, but I was told by everyone, 'they're just making **** up'. I thought of trying to find rape victims who could no longer use toilets where biological males entered, because they were so scarred, but I realised that was creepy.

    Part of me feels like they have a split personality - part TERF, part trans.

    But everyone tells me I am believing lies.

    But the thing is the TERFs keep saying the same things. Do they really think we believe them? Do they believe it themselves? Do they want us to believe because they believe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Who said I was hurt? You replied to me saying you didn't want to know anything. You're the person that went out of your way to complain that you learned about asexuality day of awareness.

    And who told you their lack of sexual attraction? Did someone, completely unprompted, tell you about their lack of sexual attraction? Because I agree, walking up to someone and saying that is weird. I'd feel the same if someone just told me they were straight/gay/bi without any context.

    However I'm not annoyed when I click into a thread about asexuals and see stuff about asexuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    How can being asexual be a sexual orientation? That's like saying being an atheist is believing in a particular kind of god.

    Yep. When someone's argument requires them to make up other posters' opinions and even words, it's pretty obvious they didn't have a point in the first place, which is why I didn't bother replying to that.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Lots of things exist.

    Why the hell should I l care about someones lack of sexual desire?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You're free to but saying you don't want to know about asexuality while choosing to engage in a topic about is pretty stupid. You are pretty clearly choosing to willingly learn more about it. You also don't get to decide which awareness days exist or not. You can simply ignore them while other people will choose to inform themselves.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I am free to ignore it, but I am also free to call out the "look at me" ridiculousness of people who want to announce how little they want sex. Have at it (or not have at it as is the case) guys and girls. But expect ridicule for wanting to be "seen".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,683 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I don't think you should. Either do I.

    Either should JK Rowling… yet here she is commenting on it. So it seems she actually does.

    Maybe she needs to take a leaf out of our book?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭George White


    Where do the GC gays in Dublin actually hang out? It's something I've been wanting to know for years.

    Because I've always felt a bit of maybe misplaced sympathy for them. I got thrown out of a notable gay bar asking about them. I knew as soon as I asked, the entire temperature fell.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I don't want to know a person's sexual orientation (or lack thereof).

    I think everyone is aware that there are people who want sex and people who don't.

    Having a day of recognition for people who don't helps who exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,683 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    What's a 'GC Gay?' can't say I've heard of that one before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭NattyO


    You repeatedly call the opinions of anyone who disagrees with you "stupid" - perhaps you should work on that.

    An international awareness day for lack of self-awareness is long overdue.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I personally think that the worst thing she ever did was write a series of stupid books for children that adults obsess over. Her views on women resonate with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's international awareness day. It's not just Ireland. And I'm sure there's places where people know even less than people do on this thread.

    I've never encountered so many people who get annoyed because they were made aware of something. Something that they weren't even aware of because they keep asking questions. It's a deliberate attitude of I don't know, I don't want to know and how dare people make the slightest effort of trying to educate me.

    And the awareness day didn't even work. Because you've heard about it third hand. Someone posted a screenshot of a terf responding to an image. And you're annoyed at the first person, not the other two that spread it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,683 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Those 'stupid books' made her a billionaire, of which she's donated in excess of £100 million (I believe) to charities.

    I hardly think thats a bad thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Sometimes stupid views deserve to be called out as such. Yvonne is priding herself on ridiculing a group for raising awareness. That's a bit sad overall and it's not something that deserves any particular respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,706 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    A million and one people ridiclued "Asexuality Awareness Day" but someone decided to make this all about JK Rowling as if she is some kind of outlier. We see you.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I don't think its bad. I just hate them myself. I acknowledge they have given millions of people happiness. I just find adults who obsess about them to be silly. That's just my opinion though. I await my day of recognition for my personal preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,429 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I understand that you have no interest in sex, I understand what asexual means.
    Was asking if you would still have the capacity for platonic relationships, and if your interest was one way or the other.

    If an older couple loses their sex drive, to become essentially sexless - they are still presumably straight (or gay).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭NattyO


    "Sometimes stupid views deserve to be called out as such"

    If you meet an asshole in the morning, you met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day, you're the asshole.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,223 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …are we looking at some sort of personality disorder here!



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