Israel/Palestine Thread

But Israel states that it isn't fighting the Palestinians in Gaza - it is trying to destroy Hamas and free the hostages.

It's the Palestinian civilians (and Israeli civilians) who are bearing the brunt of this campaign. In the case of the Palestinians, it's pretty much a one sided War Crime murder fest for Israel.

You really do have a beef with Egypt. It's irrelevant - as stated previously, the Rafah crossing has been closed by Israel. During the ceasefire, Egypt took in injured and sick civilians. So they have played a part.

But, Palestinian civilians are Israel's legal responsibility. Not Egypt's.

This kind of stuff is the reason I can't take Israel's critics seriously:

"Israel is going all in in all directions - venting its spleen on its neighbours."

Let's review the facts:

1. Israel was attacked, by surprise, by the administrators of Gaza on the 7th of October 2023.
2. Israel was attacked, continuously and unprovoked, by Lebanese militants from Oct 8th 2023 for about a year until they finally responded. During which time, Israel had to evacuate the Northern portion of its (small) country.
3. Southern Lebanon was supposed to have peacekeepers, but they did nothing for a full year of Hezbollah using the region as a base to launch rockets into Israel, and when Israel finally responded, did nothing other than serve as human shields for Hezbollah.
4. The Yemeni Houthis have decided to get involved.
5. Much of this was co-ordinated and and funded by Iran, which (like the Western Left) has the goal of the complete destruction of the world's only Jewish state.

Yet in spite of all of this, we're expected to believe that it is Israel that is just attacking its neighbours for no reason, that it has no casus belli? 😶

Wait, what? Is anyone calling for the complete destruction of Iran? Most people would like them to simply stop promoting terrorism :o

Do you agree with the quoted poster that Israel is just venting its spleen on its neighbours or whatever i.e. attacking unprovoked?

Right, that's why the chant "From the River to Sea, Palestine will be Free" (among others) is so commonplace … btw as I've shown, no serious person considers an Israel constrained to the 1967 borders to be militarily defensible.

They sound vile alright. I think they are posting on here.

I find this post eerily reminiscent of Vladimir Putin blaming Poland for World War II. The victim-blaming literally reminded me of this:

Poland versus Putin: Dispute over history – DW – 12/31/2019

Israel certainly had casus belli in October 2023. They have every right to defend themselves and their territory from attack, within the bounds of law.

That there has been no credible threat to Israel for over a year now is indicative of them just pounding their enemies out of revenge and retribution. Of course, there is also the illegal annexation of land in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon and Syria.

Since the time of zero credible threats, Israel has murdered many tens of thousands of innocent civilians. They are starving them to death, denying them shelter, withholding medical supplies (after bombing the hospitals) and terrorising them daily.

It is of no surprise to anyone that even as politically connected as they are, Israel is before the ICJ for Genocide and two of its leaders currently on the run from the ICC accused of War Crimes.

As I posted earlier, if Israel is found to have committed Genocide and its leaders guilty of War Crimes (the evidence now being beyond doubt), supporters of Israel and the Israelis themselves will hang their heads in shame.

Those that go further and justify in any way what Israel has done are depraved and lack any basic sense of humanity. They are accessories to the fact.

Whilst there are thousands of examples of the War Crimes the IDF has committed and their spineless denial and lies, the current newsworthy atrocity of the 15 medics is a case in point.

That you think Israel has casus belli and is entitled to bind the hands and feet of medics, summarily execute them bury them in the sand is disgusting in my opinion.