Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Palestinians do not have a navy, air force or army. The don't have F16s, battle tanks or destroyers. They don't have 2000lb bombs or nuclear weapons.

So no, they wouldn't go about anything in the same way as Israel.

Jesus you forgot Oct 7th did ya. Spare me with your saintly Palestinian rhetoric.

Who is "we"?

Seems Amos Harel is anyhow.

That is great to see and I hope the Hamas terrorists don't harm them for protesting.

I think that's what hamas members believe they art. The same way the PLO did before them.

BTW, that doesn't mean I agree with their practices or methods. But the methods don't determine whether or not they are freedom fighters. Their aims do. It's quite possible to be immoral freedom fighters.

Hopefully when Hamas are out of the way in Gaza, the Palestinians will be able to live an oppression free life like they did pre-Hamas, or even like the Palestinians who live in the WB……

Oppression free in the west bank………..? Is that sarcasm?

At best they might give them peace at least. Israel is a strong war state. They are using,and have used absolutely despicable methods and indiscriminate killing which are, rightly imo, regarded as criminal and genocidal. I wouldnt argue that. The fact that palestine isn't regarded as a state in itself is unjust also. But there's too many armed entities vying for control of Palestine, and if they focused first of all on uniting themselves there'd be a better chance of gaining recognition, but instead they seem more intent on destruction of israel than uniting themselves. There is a way forward perhaps if Hamas were out of the equation and Hostages released.

I don't know how long it is that you've been tuning into, as it were, the situation in Palestine. Perhaps it has just kicked off after Oct 7th, as seems to be the case with a lot of people and which inevitably leads to a very poor understanding of what's been happening over there for many years.

However, it is a miscalculated observation to think that the Palestinians have ever been, or would ever be, allowed to form a movement which would formulate the recognition of a Palestinian state as this has been deliberately scuppered by Israel for decades. Israel doesn't want to see a state of Palestine because it will put the final nail in the coffin of their greater Israel expansionist policy, and it is a national policy as is self evident in the continued stealing of Palestinian land in the west bank.

Israel will try everything that is open to them in order to prevent statehood for Palestinians, because their ultimate goal is the elimination of such an event before it can even exist in the first place, and they're willing to play the long game.

It isn't the Palestinians that are standing in the way of a Palestinian state, it's Israel who are determined to undermine that possibility with every stroke of a pen, illegal annexation of land, or outright murder.

Bear in mind that it was Israel that bankrolled HAMAS, against the warnings of the Palestinian Authority, and they did so knowing that HAMAS was an extremist organisation. This was done because it gives Israel the free pass to keep oppressing the Palestinian people under the auspice of their "support" for terrorists. The PA were getting too close to the solidarity needed amongst the Palestinians for a pathway to statehood and Israel sought to actively stymie that.

As long as Israel has a policy of eliminating Palestine and/or Palestinians, there will never be a viable conduit for a state of Palestine.

And that's not the fault of the Palestinians themselves.

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I'm not quite sure what that post is about.

The point I was making is that people in Gaza will be free to decide their own future once they are free from Hamas. The decision they make will determine what their lives will be like. You don't know what they'll decide to do, so you can't predict what their lives will be like going forward. I hope they make the right choice when the time comes and the people of Israel and Gaza can live in peace going forward.

No, they won't. The West Bank isn't run by Hamas and all they get for their trouble, amongst other things, are militant "settlers" setting up more and more "outposts" with the full co-operation of the Israeli state.

The PA won’t be the only option on the table, as you’ll find. Gaza can be a prosperous and peaceful part of the world if it chooses to be. If you look at the video from Gaza that I posted a few days ago, you’ll see that the locals there themselves have proposed other options. I have little doubt that the international community will be willing to propose additional solutions.

The pro-Palestine support on this forum is rather confusing. It’s starting to look like you guys are more interested in vilifying Israel than in pursuing a peaceful solution to the conflict. I, as someone who stands with Israel, am totally focused on the latter, and I view the protests we’re seeing in Gaza in a positive light. Meanwhile, you guys seem to be searching for every possible negative angle and outcome.

Just to re-iterate, the future of Gaza can be prosperous and peaceful.

The Israelis I know want a solution that does not lead to a return to violence and a repeat of October 7th. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

An individual with a more peace-oriented approach would look to some of the other places in the world where Palestinians live, places that are not governed by Hamas also, and suggest that Gaza could aim to become just like those places. Why is this not possible? You need to read my last post. The point I made regarding the pro-Palestine support on this forum and their primary focus—vilifying Israel—is looking more accurate with each post.