Manchester United Thread 2024/25 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Continue what lol.

I mentioned (Toranaga trigger warning) a certain player today ONCE in a perfectly reasonable comparison to another player in a similar situation. The second time I mentioned him was when you got all precious and asked why I had mentioned him the first time.

Now you're including my answer to your question as an example of me shoehorning him into the conversation. And accuse me of having a "tanty" just because I asked why you have such a defensive reaction re (Toranaga trigger warning) that particular player.

Brilliant.

** player name removed and trigger warning inserted lest I get accused of shoehorning him into conversations.

Mod: warning applied, please stick to thread topic and don't make posts personal.

If you can't see a similarity in two overpaid excessively ego'd senior players that could not be got rid off permanently and thus had to both be loaned out to remove them from the squad then thats not a DrPhilG problem.

Deepest apologies. I miscounted.

Let me guess, you don't see the similarities between Pogba and Rashford either...

Or Lingard.

When you've dug so deep you can't see daylight, ignore the question.

irregardless of whether Chelsea sign Sancho or not, it must be embarrassing for the lad.

Imagine you sign for someone, and your so bad, the club you sign for, consider paying a substantial fine, not to sign you. It’s the ultimate rejection.

The fact it’s even a story is pretty damming.

How Sancho sees it: “Freedom”

How Chelsea see it: “We’ll pay you £5m to take him back”

From some reports I heard it isn't an actual fixed break clause/5 million.

It's more a case of if Chelsea don't want to sign him permanently (which they don't) they can go to United and say hey, how bout we pay you x instead to let us out of this obligation?

United can say yes or no. Some speculation that United indicated they would be okay to let them out of the obligation for 18/20 million. Chelsea want closer to 5 and may agree on a deal in the 10m range.

It's all speculation tbh. Hopefully they just sign him and do what they want with him after that, loan him out themselves or look to flip him and get their money back. Once I don't have to see him anywhere near Old Trafford - there is no way back for him - I'm happy.

I would imagine a break/penalty clause is actually common place, if not the valuation of it.

It makes sense that even with an obligation that there is protection (for both sides) where there is a legitimate reason the transfer should not go ahead or could not go ahead.

Say chelsea were relegated, or they received a transfer ban, or sancho got banned from football, or even as simple as Sancho not agreeing a contract (as he has not done so yet) with Chelsea.

Now, Chelsea possibly activiating it cause they simply don't want him would certainly seem different in that respect - and maybe th ebreak clause being usable in a situation where you simply don't want to do it is unusual.

But on the face of it? There being a penalty/break clause in a contract is perfectly normal in a business sense, so why would we consider that United have been uniquely stupid in this case.

“Chelsea will have to pay Manchester United £5million ($6.4m) if they do not complete the signing of winger Jadon Sancho permanently.

Sancho moved to Stamford Bridge last summer on a season-long loan deal, which included an obligation to buy for up to £25m ($32.3m).

But as part of the agreement it was decided that Chelsea could opt against proceeding with the full transfer by giving United a set fee.”

From Ornstein. Set fee. No mention of it being something up for negotiation. He could be wrong of course. I haven’t seen it reported as otherwise and the poster didn’t provide a source either.

The question I would be asking is why is this even in the news if it's a simple case of Chelsea paying a set fee. It just seems very odd that it is out there if it is cut and dry.

Not doubting it, as I don't have a clue. It just seems strange that it's been made so public if there's not some kind of negotiations going on.

Got bored and decided to look at our players salaries using sportrec.com

Free agents Eriksen, Lindelof, Evans and Heaton are all leaving, Rashford, Antony, Sancho and Malacia all expected to be sold will save us around 57m a year in salaries, that's insane!

On Sancho, has a player ever fallen off a cliff as bad as this? There's player who've tried hard and it's not worked out, there's players that had potential but never reached it, but rarely have I seen a player playing so well just go so bad so quick. He went from Champions league standard to Conference standard in the space of a few months.

To be honest, he's such a waste that I'd happily see him go for free only it would affect our finances. Anything we get for him is a blessing.

The big question is, who's mental enough to take a mentally retired player no real work ethic? Hopefully some Saudi crowd, and they pay a fortune for him too, but to be honest with you, you're at nothing signing someone like Sancho.

Dortmund might come in for 15m for him, he seems to like it there whenever he's played there. I'd take the 15m no bother.

Christ, some of the transfers over the past 10 years are an example of how not to do things. It's been so bad that I honestly think that if the club had decided to pay off the Glazers debts rather than let them build and severely limit spending on the squad, it would have forced us to scrape and scrounge around for players but I reckon that scraping and scrounging would have yielded a better and more determined squad with a better attitude than the decade of a mad transfer policy of throwing big money and doing no due diligence at anything that moves well for a few games. Mental stuff really.

Can see Dortmund coming in for him on the cheap, it's the only club he's been with that he's shown any type of form

Conference standard 😂

He's getting regular minutes for a top 4 PL side despite having plenty of competition for his position. Some people just can't seem to be able to see past goals/assists. There's a huge amount more to being a PL standard footballer.