Manchester United Thread 2024/25 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

Hopefully it will work out that we get a better deal. We need every pound we can get.

Chelsea paying 5m just so they don't have to buy him for 25m doesn't send out too many positive signs about his valuation.

He will be in his final year of his contract next year, very hard to see us getting more than 20m to make it a better deal for us. Add 1m in wages for every month when he returns.

Seems like a really daft get out clause to have given them. He could join them again in 12 months for free... If they wanted him back.

That explains the very easy to reach targets that were built in to the deal. Not sure they even paid a fee for the loan deal either so they basically had the player all season and walk away only having to pay a 5 million fee at the end.

He's on a 5 + 1 year deal, so he has 2 years left in practice.

If he comes back, Amorim may end up using him as an option in one of the #10 positions because he has the profile for it. He'll most likely be pushed out again but Amorim hasn't worked with him before, so there's a possibility of a fresh start if he knuckles down.

There isn't any opportunity, the ship has sailed. And we'd be absolute fools to give Sancho another go.

Chelsea aren't signing him for 25m. Chelsea who have been spending money like it's going out of fashion.

What level of player would you realistically expect to sign for 25m in this day and age at the top end of the game? If you were told Utd had 25m to sign player in the summer what level of player would you expect to get?

It's a nothing fee for a player who has played for England and nobody wants to pay it. The fact a club thinks it's better for them to pay 5m for him to not play for them is insane.

Sancho has repeatedly shown he doesn't have the fight to be at the top end of the game. He wants to play against lesser opponents where he can shine without the extra effort.

And that's not an attitude you can change in someone overnight (or usually at all long term).

You might get Sancho fired up every now and again, he'll play well for a (short) while but he'll revert to type again soon enough.

There's no world where Sancho is here playing well for Man Utd without any issues in 12 months time. None, it's done. We have to get rid of the player no matter what now.

i'd imagine such break clauses and penalties are common, we just don;t hear about them cause the players generally aren't as rubbish as Sancho has been.

Chelsea would sign him no problem and probably still will. The issue isn't the fee, it's the wages. 25m is a snip for a player like him - it's the wages we gave him that cause all the issues. He's a player that hasn't lived up to his early potential but still above average in the grand scheme of things. Much better than the standard Utd have seen in the front 3 for the most part this season.

Imo there's a lot of negative emotional bias against him.

He was better up until January. He has dipped since but let's see what he does between now and the end of the season.

Goals/assists aren't the only metric to judge a player like him. He's a creative winger, meaning he influences the game through dribbling, movement, and passing. He's a very good at carrying the ball forward. If you're expecting 30 G/A from him you're going to be disappointed, but he will slot into a team and contribute meaningfully in different ways. He's definitely a hell of a lot better than what he's made out to be on social media.

So we should all just ignore his past behavior at the club and the not even thinly veiled shots he continues to take at the club on social media. This time, this time, it will be different this time. And all for an average footballer who can't score or create more than a handful of goals a season?

Sancho & Rashford should never been allowed near the club again. They don't have that burning desire to win and they'd rather blame everyone else when things don't go their way

No, the wages are not an issue.

Sancho has a 300k contract but only until 2026. So when he comes back from the Chelsea loan he will be into his final 12 months.

If Chelsea pay him 200k which isn't out of the question then you are looking at a shortfall of about 5m. Chelsea can offer a sign on fee for 5m or whatever. It's still a 30m overall fee.

Still a bargain. If they don't take Sancho at that money it says it all and then some.

No his contract has one year remaining + a team option for another year. Utd are not gonna pay him £15m for an extra year to avoid him leaving for free........just to see him leave for free in 2027. His wages might be an issue but your insistence that his contract has 2 years remaining is just wrong.

100%.

Said it before re Rashford and the same applies to Sancho. I don't care if either one of them scores 20 goals or gets 20 assists in the remainder of the season, they don't have the mentality and/or attitude to be consistently good enough for United and they've demonstrated it during their time at the club.

'Effectively' 2 years left means nothing when there is a close to 0% chance United extend his contract. He has one year left. And I doubt he is actually on 300k, that presumably includes bonuses which I doubt amounts to much given his performances. Surely better for him to sign a 5+ year contract for 150k if it's on the table.

Not a hope we'll be triggering the +1. Hopefully Chelsea come through with the 25m.

As a related aside, I don't think the extra extension year can be used as a way for the club purely to gain additional time to sell / cash in on a player.

I'm fairly sure someone posted details on it a while ago on this thread. I can't recall those exact details, but I think the general jist of it was that a player would be due a nice chunk of the selling fee / compensation if the club was to sell that player in the final extension year.

I'm not sure agents or players would ever sign up to a possible extension clause if it was mainly just in the clubs interest.

Why do you keep getting defensive every time I mention Rashford?

Overpaid, underperforming, hard to get rid of, questionable attitude/behaviour.

That description refers to both. That's why I mentioned Rashford. That OK?