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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,673 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    What a load of rubbish. Just because you keep saying Trump playbook like a broken record doesn't make it a fact. I would take alot of the Trump play book when it comes to immigration, that's for sure.

    If your going to comment on a community such as Dundrum at least get your facts right

    The Dundrum Community never had any issues with Ukrainians coming but the issue is this Government funding the end of a local communities hub, the end of any chance of the hotel ever been rebuilt to its former glory. The peaceful protests started when the the government and the owners started negotiating on IPAs which effectively meant the hotel was never coming back.

    This government has destroyed rural Ireland and particularly Tipperary, taking away the life blood of Communities like Roscrea and Dundrum, it's sickening that this charade continues even though our government has finally admitted most of these people are economic migrates and not legitimate AS

    What's most likely going to be happening soon is the Ukrainians will be forced out of Dundrum and IPAs will be coming in and they'll be out numbering the local Community

    This government have damaged our country for decades to come, while the rest of Europe (Germany, Sweden, Denmark so on) has already woken to the damage of uncontrolled immigration, Ireland sits alone, having no clue what to do while each day goes by getting worse and worse

    This Irish Government is depended on Europe like the spineless government they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Rattling off "Trump Playbook" isn't the moral high ground some think it is. A recent NBC poll says that 55% of Americans approve of his immigration policy whilst a lower 43% disapprove. Additionally, 56% believe he is bringing the “right kind of change” to immigration policy. Trump's playbook in immigration is fine by the majority, and NBC is known for it's left leaning bias. Mass deportations are slowly becoming the new normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,141 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    Irish people contributed to America and Irish-Americans are among the most successful ethnic groups in the US today. Whereas mass 3rd world immigration from 3rd world countries where women are treated as possessions will be and is a disaster for Ireland.

    I really can't fathom why people can't understand that not all immigrants are equal. Denmark has already produced figures that show the average sub-saharan African costs the taxpayer over 450,000 Euros over their lifetime whereas immigrants from other western european countries are net contributers to the exchequer.

    Can people honestly not understand this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I doubt anyone believes a town is outnumbered by foreigners at present . Ballyhaunis has the highest at 37 percent CSO 2022 .

    In the future it's highly lightly that foreigners and their offspring will outnumber Irish .In 2000 the population was 3.8 million at present 5.3 million .

    Education grants are higher for refugees and leave to remain . A greater support for housing also exists given the high number of NGO,s that support them .

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0716/1460175-population-could-top-seven-million-by-2057-cso/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    On the subject of vetting this healthcare provider was previously identified as using unsafe practices in the UK . He was paid 9 million by Tulsa until the company was investigated for not properly vetting staff and poor standards .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/03/06/tusla-care-provider-linked-to-uk-service-with-unsafe-practices/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    There's plenty of towns in the UK where the indigenous people are either outnumbered or completely gone.

    But that's the wrong colour indigenous.

    So it's racist to think thats bad.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I doubt there’s a single town in England that has even a small indigenous population.

    I think you white, possibly Anglo Saxon. You don’t mean indigenous

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I mean native. Split hairs all you want. Celts, Romans, Saxons, Norman's. Whatever your ancestry is.

    Native white Europeans living in towns for 1500+ years replaced by brown people from the other side of the world within a few generations.

    Irish towns will be no different. But as said, in the alternative reality we're in now, this type of indigenous replacement is the good kind and it's actually racist to be against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Why are more and more countries in Europe electing right wing governments - even liberal Sweden n Holland. Are the people there misinformed idiots?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Have you heard of the industrial scale grooming gangs in the UK. I don't think many of the perpetrators were either Republican or loyalist tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Imagine having to go back 1500 years to try and invalidate a point. Semantics does not change the current situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo


    It's great to see communities up north, putting aside their differences and planning to march as one against government policy. It's what our leaders fear the most. When communities stand together, the establishment get scared, scared their power will slip away. People doing their best, trying to protect erosion of culture, but watch the controlled narrative come out over the next few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63881261.amp


    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1065312/
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/25/ira-sex-abusers-30-names


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ira-rape-victim-paudie-mcgahon-sickened-and-disgusted-by-sinn-feins-handling-of-recent-scandals/a1010690039.html


    https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/october-2023/raped-by-the-ira/

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0326/1038663-rape-charge-courts/


    How many examples do you want?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    A general election isn't a poll on a single issue such as immigration but even at that the average Irishman didn't vote for FF/FG. And I guarantee you there are some FF/FG TD's who don't agree with the immigration scam either. It's now a multi billion dollar industry suffered by the Irish tax payer and will be very hard to pull back. Too much money at stake for the boys club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    People arguing against native Europeans my god. You'd swear all tribes in America, south America, Africa and Asia were the exact same or never mixed.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You’ve almost made my point for me: Celts, Romans, Saxons, Normans and so on, were all immigrants at one time. None of them were indigenous or native.

    Demographics change over time. The history of humanity is a history of migration.

    We should put in checks and balances to ensure it happens sustainably, but let’s not pretend this is something new.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    1500 years ago, the Angles, Saxons, Danes or Normans hadn’t arrived in England yet. Never mind the waves of Irish immigrants in the last 200 years who are now “English”

    To be clear. The English didn’t even exist. There is no real definition for what an English person is if you scratch at the surface even a little


    these arbitrary definitions of “native” are only used to justify racism

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You’re using “native” as a dog whistle.

    Aside from, possibly, the Basques. There are no native European populations left. Europe is a great example of migration.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The only checks and balances we need now is a zero refugee policy for 20 years and priorities for essential needs such as healthy and housing given to the natives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm a native Irish man and a native European. Did the native Americans not migrate there from somewhere else? Did history just start 800 years ago.

    I assume you said the Basque because it wasn't conquered by the Muslim invaders which grabbed the rest of Spain. So because a country is invaded and settled for a period it loses it's right to call itself a native population. I guess that sucks for the Indians.

    It would make you wonder the education system in this country when it has fooled people into thinking there aren't native populations in Europe. Travel to a Mediterranean, Scandinavian, Slavic, Serbian, Albanian, British, French, German, Dutch country and you'll see many different tribes do in fact make up this continent. It's something to be very proud of and should be protected.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The native Americans were the first people there. I use the Basques, because the evidence of their existence predates any other European civilisation in the area.

    But it’s pretty damn arbitrary. So arbitrary it’s pointless to use such terms. That’s my point.

    Go ahead and be proud to be Irish. But Irish is a nationality. A nationality which has constantly being evolving.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If you'd say the same to Indians in the America's or Aboriginals in Australia then fair enough.

    I doubt you would though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Short answer:Yes they are being misinformed.

    Long answer, hard to pinpoint but 2008 financial crisis lead to austerity and issues that have financial repurcussions today and just like the 1930s it's very easy to blame one vulnerable group. In the 1930s it was the Jews and now it's foreigners.

    All immigration deemed illegal. All immigrants are criminals. Talk of invasions, false stories of immigrants throwing passports away. False stories of towns being overrun. Then as soon as a news story happens they gather online and immediately blame a foreigner, riot if it is and disappear and ignore story when 9 times out of 10 it's not.

    You mentioned The Netherlands, I lived there for 7 years and contrary to popular belief I didn't find them very tolerant. I was there for rise of Pim Fortuijn, and it was all blamed on race. All crime was blamed on Turks and Moroccans, "Netherlands is full" was their mantra. Highly dangerous stuff that made me very uncomfortable there and I was happy to get back to Ireland.

    All of these parties will eventually get found out and die as they lack substance, facts and intelligence but in the meantime they're spreading highly dangerous messages and I've no idea what damage will be done before they do demise but anyone believing that voting AfD in Germany because Trump and Musk endorse them are certainly misinformed idiots.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,635 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I would. While acknowledging how poorly their ancestors were treated

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Martin laughing about the housing crisis with Trump shows you his true character. McGregor is a horrible man. But I'd say play the ball on this occasion and what he said was bang on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Whatever about what constitutes a native, non UK born people in social housing in the UK are outnumbering UK born people. The numbers are staggering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭tom23


    I wonder what the figures / percentages for this country look like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭tom23


    Yeah good old Martin, having a laugh, they've been having a laugh for a long long time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo


    And remember when Councillor Quillan asked for the figures in Fingal coco, his fellow councillors rounded on him. No doubt the trend is rising here too, but the government and their apologists dish out slurs and labels and won't realise the info.



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