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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    With the troops we have sitting in the like of the curragh doing nothing when do we decide to put them on the border for proper border checks? If thats where the issue is. The idea of no border is idealistic and symbolic at best. We need a border.

    Post edited by Gusser09 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    I see the Austrians are about to stop family reunification rights, citing the growing pressure on social services as a major concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    Defence Forces controlling the border?

    Sure if they had to use resources for that then how would they keep providing accommodation centres for the scammers who enter the country illegally?

    You know, using their barracks for modular units, catering facilities, medical services, transport, laundry, recreation areas, while pandering to the "cultural needs" of the scammers and generally institutionalising them so they can never leave 😊



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,637 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Again when war accounts start following migration into Europe you know you've a problem. And this is very true. How can people not see what's going on.

    In response to Russia weaponizing migration the EU should enforce a zero refugee policy for 10 years across the board.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,101 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Did anyone have Conor McGregor in the White House on St Patrick's Day talking about Ireland and immigration on their bingo card, this isn't going to go down well with MM and SH, are both still in the US?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,675 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    With increasing frequency, the horrendous consequences of letting massive numbers of people into the country without vetting them are playing out in the courts. This time, an 18-year-old girl was the victim – raped, sexually assaulted and falsely imprisoned by a degenerate from Guyana. 

    Why aren’t we outraged by the fact that the authorities have been criminally negligent about who they have let into this jurisdiction? This isn’t an isolated incident by the way. There have now been multiple cases before the courts where violent men, newly arrived to the country, attack women, or commit serious crimes or harm Irish people.

    I have to say this Gripe article really sums up my thoughts on the situation.

    My heart goes out to the victim, the government has let her down so much. This shouldn't of happened.

    Unfortunately the monster Randi Gladstone has shown that Ireland is open for business for any rapists & murders to come in and do the harm to the Irish people. "There is no such thing as "an unvetted migrant" to this country" according to the GNIB. I dont know is this ignorance or just parroting the governments line but they really must think the Irish people are stupid….

    Unfortunately what happened to the 18yr old girl wont be an isolated event, this will happen again. When you have people coming to Ireland who are unvetted, as long as these people are allowed to wander the streets, this will happen again.

    One of the craziest things to me is you come to Ireland from NI or by Plane/boat (probably without identity papers) you sign on at the Dublin IPAS center and you're free to do what you want from there, think how mad this is, it blows my mind the lack of security.

    One of the biggest security concerns to the Irish State for me (it's not the underwater cables) is the Northern Ireland border. I'm not sure what we can do here BUT this government has to do something to make sure monsters like Randi Gladstone never get into Ireland again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,598 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It's a pity they couldn't find someone else to make those points in that setting.

    Mcgregor is someone I'd rather not see represent our country.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Why not? I think it’s very fitting. Two rapists together. Very fitting indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    I have have consistently raised my concerns about how our government has tackled the immigration issue, particularly AS and IPAs, and I stand by those arguments.

    However, it is sickeneing that the cowardly rapist who has been recorded on cctv assaulting a man in his 50s for not drinking his piss poor whiskey is the person that has been put front and centre by one of the most influential nations in the world and admired for his views on the issue.

    How he has been given the platform that he has is beyond belief. He's a scumbag. He has no interest in 'protecting women'. In fact, he's probably the biggest danger to Irish women residing in the state.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The government have been clamouring to highlight McGregor doesn't speak for the people of Ireland (on immigration).

    How do they know if they haven't asked the people of Ireland? They know he represents a lot of peoples views and would never put it to a vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,101 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Yes I agree, the message was good and needed, but the messenger not

    I do find it funny that all politicians are commenting on Conor but only 2 ďid on that Randi Guyana fella



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Claiming a rapist speaks on your behalf is quite a statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You, me or the dog on the street could make those statements and they'd speak more for the people of Ireland on immigration then our current government. You're missing the point here. The government acting like their crazy immigration stance somehow represents what the average Irishman thinks when all poles suggest differently.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/19/sweden-negative-net-immigration-figure-record-low-asylum-application-global-displacement

    I found out last year that Sweden actually managed to get more immigrants to leave then came there and they've now a record low amount of refugee applications. Denmark, Sweden it doesn't matter. We need these policies to save Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    I dislike McGregor quite a bit, even before the Nikita Hand case I found his demeanour to be ****.

    However, what he said in The White House was bang on the money, just pity there wasn't a better Irish person invited to say the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I likewise have disliked him for years and MMA is my main sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Nothing was bang on the money. He just told lies and only far right idiots would believe him. Also talking about rural villages being overrun and destroyed, total lies.

    Also hypocrisy of Irish Americans not having an Ireland to go back and visit. So Irish emigration was ok but immigration to Ireland is bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Total lies?

    So there are no IPA centres being created in rural Irish towns and villages? All the protests over the past five years were against nothing?

    Regarding Irish emigration - most of this took place in the 1800s and early 1900s. There were no centres built by the US taxpayer to house Irish migrants. There were no social welfare payments, medical cards, educational supports, hospital care, etc… handed to Irish migrants with the bill for the above placed on the US taxpayer.

    It's not comparing like with like whatsoever. Anyone saying "but but but the Irish went abroad" needs to be educated on the above points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Yes total lies. No town in Ireland is overrun by immigration.

    No town in Ireland is the population outnumbered by foreigners.

    Protests here were by right wing misinformed racist idiots who believe everything they read online,

    As for your comments about Irish not receiving support, well they certainly needed as they were in dire straits but 180 years ago countries and social welfare systems were as well developed as modern society is but they certainly received charity in many cases. Ireland is now a modern caring country that provides support to refugees and the entitlements that claim they have is greatly exaggerated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Just because someone shouts 'lies' doesn't mean it is so. Immigration is putting huge strain on towns and villages around the country, you're not far right, racist or an idiot to say so. McGregor is a scumbag, but he was right in what he said.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,675 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Before branding everything as lies maybe you should do some due diligence first

    Dundrum a small village in Co. Tipperary. The only hotel in the village, the life and blood of the village.

    The hotel has the capacity to have more IPAs than the population of Dundrum.

    It's just a matter of time till the owner signs over to the IPAs

    The protests in this village have been one of the most peaceful protests you'll ever find and is an example of how it should be done but the Gardai sent in the riot squad none the less which was despicable

    Ireland supports legitimate refugees, not economic migrates that most of these people are and have no right to claim asylum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Canaibh


    A modern caring country for anyone and everyone apart from Irish people. And I don't for one second believe it's a "caring country" (I think it's a barbaric one), but I just wanted to use your own words.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,637 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You are 100% correct.


    You won’t find that message well received around here though. Alarmists will tell you the country has gone to the dogs.

    I find it extremely interesting some posters fully endorse the message of McGregor, but not the messenger. His message is alarmist nonsense. There is no basis in fact for it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Oh yes, we don't have healthcare, disability payments, social protection, etc. It's by no means perfect but a lot more caring towards it's citizens than a lot of countries like USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,766 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Since when is a hotel the life and blood of a village. Protesting against 70 Ukrainian people and claiming they were mostly criminals. Right out of the Trump playbook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    The government are clearly backtracking on their promise 'not to take the only hotel in the town (or tiny village in this case).

    I'm pretty familiar with this area and used to stay in the hotel for a few nights every year when on my holidays in Connemara.

    To call this place a village is even a push. There's a pub, a small shop, a pharmacy and a garage but I'm not sure what the situation is regarding schools/GPs. The closest town is Roundstone which is over a half an hour's drive away.

    The hotel owners said they wanted to 'do their part' for Ukraine and said it was going to take refugees from there for 3 months initially. Now, three years on, they want to get on the IPA/AS gravy train. Pure greed.

    I'd imagine tourist reliant businesses in the area cannot believe what is happening and I think the government is an absolute disgrace if it gives this the go ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo



    The hotel owners said they wanted to 'do their part' for Ukraine and said it was going to take refugees from there for 3 months initially. Now, three years on, they want to get on the IPA/AS gravy train. Pure greed.

    The owners should be made apply for planning for change of use but above all, every buisness and person in the locality should shun them. Pure greed is right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭tom23


    some day the arse will fall out of this magic money tree for this nonsense. Don’t know when but there will be a lot greedy landlords heartbroken. How they can find a different way to do their bit for humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    I think people forget how we aren't too far removed from things like this on the island



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Paul_Crosby


    Coolock hoods coming to Belfast to stand beside loyalist murderers , to protest immigration, when Coolock is rife with local Irish drug feuds and knackers who attacked a migrant camp with dogs. That's the big threat is it??



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