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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,579 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Looks like Russia could try open a new front into Ukraine on the route Ukraine used to take Kursk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Putrid will actually be wanting a peace deal soon, at this rate.

    In one of the most hilarious things about this peace deal nonsense I have seen yet, Putrid said he would accept peacekeepers in Ukraine, so long as they were unarmed and there only as observers.

    I'm slightly surprised he hasn't asked for Zelensky's literal head on a silver plate. He's insisting on keeping the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, which would be an absolute deal breaker were I Zelensky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hopefully they don't get far into Sumy. Imagine taking Kursk away from Ukraine's negotiations and giving Russia Sumy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    In one of the most hilarious things about this peace deal nonsense I have seen yet, Putrid said he would accept peacekeepers in Ukraine, so long as they were unarmed and there only as observers.

    Stuff like that shows he's not taking the 'process' seriously. Zelensky would never agree to that; he may as well just surrender unconditionally and let Putin take what he wants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Field east


    there is ABSOLUTLY NO COMPARISON between Putin’s conditions for a cease fire and the ones VZ put forward. So I hope that Trump takes note of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    he will, and he’ll say Zelenskyy is being unreasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Field east


    this peace process is SOOOOOOOO UNPRECIDENTED. Why?
    (1). The peacemaker indicating the way things might go BEFORE discussions about peace even started

    (2) The peacemaker/facilitator is required to be TOTALLY NEUTRAL at all times but not here

    • Trump saying that Putin is easier to deal with
    • Now referring to the division of assets - between who?
    • Specifically referring to where the ownership of the nuclear driven energy plant goes to
    • Etc, etc, etc.

    (3) Leaving out the EU. The EU has ‘skin in the game’ for a number of reasons. Trump saying that it has essentially no right to be at the table because it has done ‘nothing ‘ over the past Three years to resolve it and it is also not playing its part in funding NATO. These are only opinions as to justifying leaving The EU out.

    (4) the adversary ‘ apparently ‘picked the US negotiating team

    In summary, I think that there should be no agreement made at any level until the EU is fully involved in all aspects . There needs to be a counterbalance to the US - if that is to be the new way of facilitating a meeting/s’ between two sides



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭eire4


    This is the key point IMHO the US has really shown that at this point it simply cannot be trusted and or relied on for the foreseeable. Even if by some miracle they turned away from authoritarianism in 4 years time it doesn't matter any more as they cannot be trusted not to do another about turn a few years later and possibly even worse just as they have done now. Same applies to signing treaties with them. The US might sign a treaty but who knows if they will actually honour it and not stab you in the back a few years down the line just as they are doing with Canada and Mexico currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭Infini


    Honestly the way I see it unless there's a major movement that goes full tilt against the Regressives, MAGAts, liberty thieves and blatant crony corruption and welfare billionaires, the US is only going to continue to decline in power and prestige in the long run. The US is badly in need of reform at this point and the longer they fail to address the core problems rotting their country the worse it's going to be for them down the line.

    If anything there's an irony here, the US got to top spot in the world because the European Powers that existed more than a century ago were ruined by 2 world wars that destroyed the continent. It would be incredibly ironic in a sense that the US playing with fascism were to result in the EU reforming itself through necessity into a full federation and ascending to the top spot through rule of law and integrity along with a major drive to ramp up the European MIC to a level where the likes of Vatnik Russia won't dare fúck around with us all anymore without the risk of getting a punch in the face. This is doable too the only 2 problematic governments are Slovakia and Hungary, the former is at serious risk of a election that could see Fico ejected from power and as for that Toad Orban hes at increasing risk of getting the boot as well. Get rid of them and there's a window of opportunity to act decisively to make it happen.



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  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We absolutely wanted it, as opposed to any other countries getting it, but needed to be seen to fight it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭eire4


    Interesting you bring up Slovakia and Hungary there and the situations that might emerge there. I think in a general sense not just in Slovakia and Hungary but throughout the EU and wider Europe that one of the silver linings of the US turning towards authoritarianism is that just like the disaster that was brexit showed other euroskeptics that actually leaving the EU was a really bad move so does the US move towards authoritarianism show voters in Europe that the idea of actually putting one of the far right parties in Europe in power is equally a really bad move. Time will tell if that does indeed come to pass in Europe but I think it might very well happen and prove to be a silver lining to the US turn towards authoritarianism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Probably end up been wiped out with all the tariffs been brought in by Trump. We could of done something good with it but now probably just wiped out with the government having to do things they would not of had to do over the tariffs been brought in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,466 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Trump administration appears to be about to give Russia all of their war aims in return for a peace deal. Mind boggling. What does Putin have on Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Field east


    renaging just as it did with the Kurds and on Ukr c when the decommissioned it’s nuclear warheads .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭Infini


    I will laugh if because of this Ukraine has Nukes back in play within a few years of this war ending. They can do it, they certainly WILL likely do it. Nukes are the only deterrence and the legacy of Putin and Trump will be that the only way to kowtow idiots of their calibre is that you need to have nukes in reserve as the ultimate deterrence and insurance against vainglorious invaders.

    We'll probably end up with jokes of Poland and Ukraine threating to outdo each other to "do the funni" first on Vatnik Russia in a few years at this rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Ukrainians done something that the US couldn’t

    Render Russian glide bombs useless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,854 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,575 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The US withdrew from the body investigating responsibility for the war today.

    Can’t tell if it’s just laughable now or just… well can’t decide



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,871 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    To be fair, there's no need for that body. One country crossed into anothers territory. It's a pretty clear cut root cause.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Trump announcing the release of the JFK files tomorrow afternoon (EST) is clearly an attempt to take the heat out of his capitulation to Putin's demands once details of their call are released tomorrow.

    It's so fricken obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    Interesting comment by Trump on board air force one earlier today. Trump and Putin are expected to have a phonecall tomorrow. Trump said that the allocation of land and assets, specifically mentioning power stations (Most likely the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant) and ports.

    This suggests that the Americans and the Russians have moved beyond discussing the 30 day ceasefire and are now engaging in substantive talks of a settlement. There's been rumours of a US controlled entity taken over the running of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants. There's also speculation of a possible federalisation model for Ukraine.

    Whatever the rumours it appears by the statements of Trump and his cabinet that the Americans and the Russians are engaging in talks on the substantive issues without Ukraine.

    Will Ukraine be compelled to fall in line to what they agree?

    It seems that America's geopolitical goals have shifted. And with war against Iran or China a possibility, the US wants Russia onside or a neutral party



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,494 ✭✭✭Suckler


    specifically mentioning power stations (Most likely the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant) and ports.

    When his mate Al Assad had to run out of Syria, Russia lost their port at Tartus so they're on the market for a new one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,942 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Oh the Russians have plenty of deep-water ports in the Black Sea to choose from. It's just that they're afraid of their navy-less Ukrainian opponents, who could promote the rest of their surface fleet into submarines.

    Putin could certainly be in the market for a new port on the Mediterranian. Libya is mooted as a canditate for that…although good luck to them trying to secure anything there lately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,906 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I can’t see the Ukrainians giving all that up for nothing. Not even security guarantees are worth that deal.

    What happens with Kherson?
    Id love to know if Russia attacked Alaska, would trump be rushing to make a deal and give parts of Alaska to Russia.
    would he in my bollocks



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Will Ukraine be compelled to fall in line to what they agree?

    No.

    Unfortunately they have to try and play a careful game to not upset the toddler in chief, but they are not going to roll over on any of their red lines cause Trump and Putin say so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    II reckon The ukraines are working on nuclear weapons. They have the scientists for sure as an old nuclear state.

    If zelensky has them pointed towards Russia there would be peace pretty quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    They have 7 tons of plutonium

    And now drones that fly through Russian air defences for 3000km

    A few kilograms sprinkled by a crop duster (which some of these drones literally are) over Moscow would give a healthy glow for oh about 50,000 years

    The economic shitshow over a panic evacuation could probably cause more damage than an actual nuke without immediately killing anyone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,902 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    But that's literally terrorism. Ukraine would never stoop so low



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