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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,653 ✭✭✭zv2


    Trump said there are good vibes coming from Russia. Good vibes? Trump is in for a shock.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Did you miss the Chinese flotilla doing live fire exercises off the east coast recently? Half the coast at minimum and a lot more if the Chinese start paying visits along the west coast.

    That author might as well be MAGA. Serious delusions.

    The Europeans are a stodgy, old-fashioned bunch who do not like new wrinkles in American foreign policy. But this has happened before. Many governments on the continent were extremely frustrated with the United States during the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Still, they eventually came around and formed a coalition to fight in Afghanistan.

    To say this bloke doesn't get it would be putting it mildly. He's like Trump in this respect. Europeans, Canadians, Australians, Kiwis - all obliged the US in Afghanistan and shed the blood of their finest, only to have the US dishonour and disrespect those sacrifices in the worst and most comprehensive ways possible, yet he thinks you just have to whisper F-35 and all will be made good.

    I would find it hard as an Australian to convey just how much gravitas and regard Australia puts in the sacrifices of their armed forces, they don't forget or belittle this stuff the way Trump and seemingly this author does, who thinks they will just get over it so they can buy some shiny trinkets.

    I was earlier reading about how Australia offered the US trade in strategic minerals they seem keen on, in return for some sense with tariffs, only to have the whole effort prove pointless. The crew of the ship of fools the Trump administration is, think there will be no serious consequences and that they can belittle and bully everyone else at will. I think countries are getting seriously angry, and it's building with each Trump brain fart and egregious betrayal.

    As the tariffs went into effect, one minister privately fumed: “None of this makes any f--king economic sense.” Another cabinet member argues the US, not Australia, will ultimately lose out if this is how it treats its alliance partner: “We have things they need, and we can be very helpful or not very helpful.”

    That 'we have things they need' goes triple in the strategic military sphere. The US better watch out someone in Australia doesn't do the smart thing and stop fire-walling Australia's military and intelligence cooperation with the US from unfriendly economic attacks.

    Look for fighter plane diplomacy to triumph once again. The F-35 is a superior product and NATO members will just have to get used to the ins and outs of Trump’s foreign policy that focuses on “America First.” International relations that promote national interest are nothing new, and the United States believes that it can keep America great and still have diplomatic success in Europe.

    It's not that superior. The French Rafale seems like it might have some serious stealth capabilities of it's own, which the French are keeping quiet about in the public sphere. I think it was just 2 days ago some Rafales engaged in some SIGINT work in the Black sea, meaning these things have some serious multi-disciplinary capabilities. Given their track, and assuming no Orc SU-35's showed up to welcome them, I think it's safe to say they are quite stealthy.

    Contrast that with what happened a couple of weeks ago when a French RQ-9 Reaper was intercepted in the eastern med with the Orcs attempting to down it with air turbulence manoeuvres in the same way they downed the US operated RQ-9 in 2023; with:

    The French warplanes on Wednesday stayed in international airspace and no encounters with Russian Air Force interceptors or ground defenses were made public.

    Rafale black sea track.jpg

    This is supposedly the track of the two Rafales. I'm not sure what the dashed lines represent but I would assume it means they turned off their transponders flew East and then switched their transponders on again, as if baiting the Orcs - switched off their transponders and flew back west. Was this also a test to see if Orc interceptors could find them?

    The main purpose of the mission might have been to gather targeting intel for Ukraine: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48864

    According to some news reports at the time, at least one of the Mirages had been fitted with an ASTAC electronics pod designed to detect the locations of air defense radars ashore. In a possibly linked incident, Ukrainian kamikaze drones hammered an air defense site and two oil refineries in southwest Russia less than twelve hours after the French Mirages exited Black Sea airspace.

    Long story short, the F-35 probably isn't the only game in town. Both Switzerland and Germany appear to possibly be reevaluating their inclinations to buy F-35s, as well as Canada. So Portugal seems out and three other countries might cancel and possibly even Poland and Romania might be having second thoughts.

    Seems to me with so many F-35s in Europe, the US could perhaps save future sales and restore confidence by setting up an EU controlled base where everything from re-tuning ECM suites to creating mission profiles and maintenance can be carried out, without a US veto.

    Denmark is currently considering whether to go with Patriot or SAMP-T missile defence systems. Given the insane talk of just grabbing Greenland, I doubt the Patriot is looking like the best option to the Danes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Do you love the smell of napalm in the morning? Well this is probably close - take a whiff:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Wasn't it a neptune missile fired from the back of a modified truck which sank the Moskva? You got to give it to the Ukrainians, they are one creative bunch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Elon Musk's massive cuts in US government funding have suspended the work of a Yale team that helped rescue hundreds of Ukrainian children kidnapped by Russia.

    Until now, the US government has funded a team of researchers from Yale University's Humanities Research Laboratory who have used open-source technology to track missing children and shared their findings with Ukrainian authorities to help bring them home.

    Thanks to their efforts, hundreds of children have returned home — but now that work will come to a halt due to Elon Musk's recent federal funding cuts.

    According to the Ukrainian government, nearly 20,000 children have been abducted by Russia since the invasion in 2022.

    M-Rat is an evil dirt bag.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There is a minor difference between Chinese exercises of the coast of Australia and Canada's air defense requirement.

    Chinese ships don't normally show up somewhere without warning. The Aussies can take their time either repositioning aircraft or just launching longer distance missions to that one threat bearing.

    Compare that to the problem of the Canadian border where aircraft from pretty much the entire length of the Russian North Coast can get to pretty much any part of the entire North coast of Canada about as fast as an aircraft can fly over the arctic circle, with a required response time determined by the range the aircraft are detected. You need more aircraft available at the same time to cover the entire threat arc.

    I reject the idea that Rafale is nearly as capable. Let me know its RCS carrying two tons of air to surface munitions and a couple of medium range air to air missiles. That's before the base RCS difference of the unarmed aircraft.

    It certainly can be argued that Rafale is "good enough" for the purposes of whatever country is considering it, especially when one balances cost to capability, much as some countries choose Gripen over Rafale. Less cost, less capability, but more aircraft for the same dollars. F35, however, seems to be the best chance of long term viability. Put simply, Rafale is an older aircraft, less capable, and will be obsolescent sooner. That doesn't mean "bad", just not as good. Against the current generation of Russian systems Rafale may in practical purposes be as good as F35. Can you say the same future-proofing exists for twenty years from now?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Not a novel concept. HMS Glamorgan was knocked out of the 1982 Falklands War by an Exocet which had originally been mounted on a warship (ARA Guerrico). The ship was too badly shot up by Royal Marines to continue to fight, so the Argentinians took the launchers off the ship, flew them to the Malvinas, and plonked them onto a flatbed trailer.

    DCIOcYlW0AExpEd.jpg

    Glamorgan got too close to the coast and took a missile for her trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Considering what is happening in Ukraine and Russia quite a few countries may opt for 2.5k drones like lancet instead of one f35. Or 40k cheaper drones…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    At this rate Canadian air defence (or any defence) requirements are dealing with **** show south of their border, not whatever ambitions the same circus to south hold in dragging them into yet another war and then insulting Canadians and other allies over past participation in stupid wars US started and doubling down by directly and openly threatening their sovereignty and showing disrespect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,072 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    No one doubts the abilities of the F35. It's about America giving real doubts about it's future. Trump & Maga may end up being replaced with a reasonable regime but they might not. There's a long history. America stood by as Hitler took Europe. Churchill had to beg for help. It's hardly surprising that people are realising that you can't trust the USA.

    The alternative aircraft may not be as good but they can be relied on. Plus what's the point in any weapon of the US can decide when & against whom it can be used ? The UK has nuclear deterrent that it can't use without US approval.



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  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's enough crap with countries claiming/invading other's territory.

    Las Malvinas is bullsh1t. They are the Falkland Islands



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Might be why I used the term "Falklands War" and not "Malvinas War?'

    The manifest of the air freight the pilot was given would have said "Malvinas" though.

    Derry/Londonderry. Tank/Panzer. Sometimes one's writing incorporates perspective of the actor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


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    I will leave the readers figure out which of these two military aid columns are for aid from Europe and which one is for US



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The warheads on the UK trident missiles are of UK manufacture. I don't believe the US has control over UK nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    They don’t this was recently debunked on telegraph podcast episode



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    South Korea's new fighter, the KF-21, could be an option also. It's coming to the end of its testing program, and looks to be a very capable and cheaper alternative to US airframes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,117 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In the short term \ immediate sense no, control over firing. In the medium term yes because the UK at present are dependent on US for maintenance and resupply of the submarine fleet.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,117 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Summarised in this Guardian article…

    "Britain’s ability to rely on the US to maintain the UK’s nuclear arsenal is now in doubt, experts have warned, but working with European states to replace it will be costly and take time… It may be that Britain can fire weapons independently of the US, but below that, the entire infrastructure covering missile compartments on submarines, the missiles themselves, all are supplied by the Americans.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/08/us-support-uk-nuclear-arsenal-in-doubt-trident-france

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    I thought it was USA missile systems, nuke warheads & submarines built & maintained in Britain? Barrow in Furness / Clyde, not sure where the nukes are assembled & maintained, maybe still Aldermaston, my auld Dad worked there decades ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Possibly. I foresee a huge push on the two native European stealth fighter programs that are being contemplated - the UK/IT Tempest and the EU FCAS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,856 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The South Koreans have still ordered F-35s to serve as their main multirole fighter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    , an f-35 in the hand is worth a 100 potential 5th or 6th generation that haven't even been designed yet , let alone built , flown , and road tested - look at how long the f-35 took to go from design and test-flight , to low rate production - to actually entering service.. the more complex the systems and software, the more likely there's going to be issues.. and issues soak up time ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Yes but those airframes aren't even at the testing stage. The FK-21 is looking to go into production



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭swampgas


    At this point you would have to wonder if a few billion, or even many billions, would be better spent buying the US administration on behalf of Europe. Recent events have given us an idea of what the going rate is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    That money is better spend on nukes on missiles

    Sure Trump told everyone out loud he is afraid of WW3

    If North Korea can do it, and be respected by likes of Trump so can any number of advanced industrialised western countries who are waking up to American bullshit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Spend it on getting Putin to accidentally fall out of a window, this war belongs to one goblin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Report of additional funding from Ireland as part of EU support for Ukraine.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0316/1502448-ireland-ukraine-military-funding/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    We should give Ukraine a large chunk of the €13B Apple money…

    We fought the EU to not get it, so surely donating a large proportion of it to ‘the cause’ would court some favour/respect within the EU?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Where are them “checks and balances” while the Russian asset **** on veterans (again)?



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