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The Ryan Tubridy Show **Mod: Read OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless


    Take a listen to his links on Q102/VRUK, now there are absolutely no similarities in relation to accent and quality of diction when compared to Terry Wogan. Like him or dislike him, Terry Wogan was on a different level compared to Tubridy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I’d agree there’s no issue with the accent; diction however is up for debate. Your average British person struggles with some aspects of Hiberno-English, many Irish colloquialisms, our structure at times (with some overlap from Irish grammatical norms), and in particular our speed of delivery. On the whole, we do as a nation speak English somewhat differently to our neighbours.

    An interesting read for anyone interested in this subject matter:

    I read that as a teenager, I assume it’s been updated since. It was quite an interesting read.

    I don’t think anyone from the UK would struggle to understand his accent given it’s quite neutral, but I’d be confident that on the rare occasion they’d be at a bit of a loss to understand the more Irish aspects of his diction. They’d struggle with most of us at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is no such thing as an average person, British or otherwise. I can understand all the professional broadcasters on UK stations, never miss a word. There is no reason that UK people would struggle with an Irish professional broadcaster. It's the English language, and they have many local accents and dialects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    The musical range is very broad, covering many genres and decades. I’m sure fans of most of the genres played on the show could justifiably claim there isn’t enough of their preferred genre played, but then it wouldn’t have so much variety. It’s mostly middle of the road, inoffensive, Top of the Pops chart-topping stuff, you’re not going to get too much of any one style in any show, or anything too heavy or obscure either. It’s perfect background music. If you want more specialist shows or one style only there’s options for all of the above.

    In certain markets in the US you can (on DAB at least) select your own music choices for the musical interludes between the chat elements of the radio show. It was in the car I rented when there last. I thought it was a pretty cool feature tbh….i wonder how long it will take before someone implements it here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless


    Well they have been struggling with his 50 thoughts per link type presentation. Compare his links from January 2024 to now. He has had to address it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless


    I do not have to go into the specifics of it with you but you can rest assured that it was highlighted as an issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    So was Joe Duffy saying What colour was the ….. But that is also an invention of the Radio Forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless


    also an invention of the Radio Forum.

    Are you trying to say that I am making that up?

    Please at least try to make an effort to reply directly to my post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Well….had you read the book I referred to you’d see there are many differences between Hiberno-English and British-English.

    I do feel you’re going out of your way a little to misinterpret what I said. To be clear, I stated there would be no difficulty understanding his accent, none at all. His accent is quite neutral and not overly regional to be difficult to understand. He doesn’t for example speak like a Healy-Rae. There is however much more to speech and understanding what a person is saying than accent alone.

    Irish people largely grew up bring exposed to many retinal UK accents through television. We watched all sorts of shows on the various UK channels beamed into our homes. The converse doesn’t apply. Very few British people are exposed to the many regional accents in Ireland. When I lived in London one of the London regional spin offs of ITV showed Fair City - my gf at the time really struggled to understand it.

    I said that on a rare occassion there might be some confusion on the recipient’s ear with some particularly Irish colloquialisms, turns of phrase, structure etc. This is not unusual, and certainly not unique to Ryan Tubridy - I did also point out that they struggle to understand all of us at times. It is certainly not - nor was it meant to be taken as - criticism of him.

    Perhaps the best example I can give of this was the moment of confusion whereby on his own podcast last weekend Róisín O’Donnell didn’t understand the expression “he didn’t lick it from a stone”. O’Donnell was born to Irish parents but raised in Sheffield in England and moved to Dublin to go to university when her father took up work here. So she’s first generation Irish, with Irish parents, and hadn’t heard the expression previously. “Billy Britain” who’s never been outside of London would likely struggle with some of the things he says at times - again I’m qualifying this by saying “on a rare occasion” there might be some confusion or some misunderstanding - that’s all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Father Ted, and before him Dave Allen educated the English into our strange ways. Ardal O'Hanlon in real life is no more difficult to understand than Ken Bruce or Stephen Nolan. Or Ryan Tubridy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless


    Those are comedy shows and comedians. Ryan Tubridy is broadcasting on radio and there are certain expectations regarding quality of delivery of presentation irrespective of accent. You are comparing apples with oranges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They are used to accents from India, the West Indies, USA and many others. No reason for them not to understand a professional broadcaster from anywhere. Do they "struggle" with the American accent of Paul Gambaccini?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,654 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: @Peter Dragon, this is the Radio forum, it's not for recommendations of books on linguistics. Please stop posting in bold too.

    If anyone wants to continue discussing accents and Hiberno-English take it to PM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Ryan sounds very exited for the live show from The Devonshire on Monday, he’s mentioned it quite a few times this morning already. Some top tunes too today with some blasts from the past from the likes of Phil Collins, The Police….and also some more mainstream selections from One Direction, Sam Fender, and Shania Twain.

    Ryan also told us how he’s often called Bryan. As someone with a frequently misspelt name I can understand this. I feel a much greater sense of empathy with him now tbh.

    Great show today!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Ryan said “deadly stuff” earlier. As far as I’m aware this would be a uniquely Irish turn of phrase, I personally have never heard a British person use it, when I lived there, or since. It was also the first time I’ve ever heard him say this particular expression. Maybe he’s making more of an effort to appeal to a wider audience at home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Yes, these presenters have simply Marvellous Elocution.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭GSF


    Terry Wogan gave his newsreader Alan Dedicoat the deadly nickname on Wake up to Wogan the most popular radio show in the U.K. so it’s hardly something that U.K. listeners would not understand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I genuinely never heard that (not saying it’s not true), but even still, it’s 16 years since Wogan was on air. I doubt very many UK listeners under 40 know what Wogan sounds like, let alone know he gave a nickname to a newsreader decades ago.

    And still even allowing for that, “deadly” is quite different from “deadly stuff”.

    My point was more I never heard Ryan being so relatively loose-lipped by his own standards. As I said, maybe it’s an attempt to appeal to a wider audience. It was kinda cool to hear him so relatively rough and ready.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭nonetheless


    Towards the bottom of his second hour today Ryan had the pleasure of chatting with actress Marisa Abela. No need for going into the specifics of the interview as it really just amounted to a bland, mundane cordial exchange. But what is quite noticeable is that due to the time constraints of that less than 20 minute window across the bottom of the hour which also had to include the playing of Benson Boone's "Sorry I'm Here For Someone Else" he had to speed up, rush and finish the exchange to make way for the allocated adblock at approximately 11:40. After which it is then a music set sandwiched between one or two brief presenter links up until the top of the hour.

    What is actually uncomfortable is to hear the presenter shifting into another vocal gear, generating the type of feeling or atmosphere that one may experience if they were holding someone up from doing something.

    Another reason as to why the show may not register with the stations audience: At that time of day music radio stations are mostly played in offices, shops, factories and other open plan facilities easily leading to the type of chatter produced on this show descending into background fuzz.

    Although the presenters candor quickly changed when reminding himself of the live broadcast that he will be presenting from The Devonshire on Monday morning which I am sure will be closed to the general public and of course filled with a handpicked select guest list oozing with super ultra paddywhackery and only too happy to fawn over him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭GSF


    the voice of the balls. Anyway loving this new surrealist boards - keep it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,715 ✭✭✭yagan


    Talking while inhaling is a common fault of his which leads to him speeding up to a gibberish pace and dropping whole words towards the end of a sentence.

    He seems not to understand that quality of speech is far better than unintelligible rushed patter.

    Its not an accent issue, it's pacing and clarity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    She’s a fine young actress (can we still say “actress”?), and is very, very good in Industry. The interview was a little rushed at times (as you correctly identify the end was particularly so), but it was grand. I think any interviewer would need more than the allotted time to really dig beneath the surface but she’s by far the biggest name he’s had on the show in recent times (with the exception of Brian Cox). If she continues on her current trajectory she’s bound to win an Oscar at some stage. I’d blame the time allocation rather than Ryan for any shortcomings this morning.

    Industry is a fantastic show for anyone unfamiliar with it btw, right up there with Succession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,477 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Branching out for St Patrick's Day - preview from the Sunday Times of tomorrow's Virgin Radio show:

    The station makes a rare outside broadcast for St Patrick’s Day at the fashionable Soho pub and dining room the Devonshire, where the cool Irish people hang out. He’ll be joined by Angela Scanlon and Cian Ducrot, with more surprise guests.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,443 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    Tuns would be accustomed to working on St Patrick 's day

    It will be a shock to the system for him

    Having an outside broadcast on the day in question just confirms that he''s 100% focused on the Irish market and what he's at will be of minimal interest to Virgin radio's target market

    He hasn't moved on, he isn't playing senior hurling, God didn't mug him in a hoodie. He's either in limbo, or his own personal hell



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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