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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Think he's much better in the centers. Has a lovely gliding style of running and a great ability to get the ball away in the tackle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    There's zero chance there was a preordained plan to start a player at 10 for the opening four games and then rotate him out for the grand slam decider with a trophy to collect. Could you imagine?

    The defeat has clearly caused a change of thought in the selection if Thornley's team is accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I agree with you on Osborne's strengths as a centre. He's also an excellent offloader which imo is a rare thing in Irish born players.

    I think Farrell and his staff have seen the lack of options at fullback and are pointing Osborne's development in that direction for the moment. Keenan aside there's no other established 15 in the country that we can rely upon. Makes sense that Osborne is given a crack. Can still use his footballing skills, but we also then get the chance to use his kicking game. He has a bigger boot than Lowe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Not Sure Aki has 80 minutes in the tank anymore. Only done it once this seasom for ireland and that was the first game of the season.

    Id prefer to see Osborne 23 or even 12 with henshaw 23.

    Will be interesting to see where Osborne plays v harlequins if everyone is fit and Barrett is back too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Lowry? Haley? Shane Daly? None of them worth a shot?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,225 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Where has it been suggested he's leaving because of the pressure for his Ireland spot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I don't think so, no.

    Lowry maybe had the chance to establish himself as a counterattacking threat unlike any other fullback we had. But he seems to have plateaued in recent seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I feel the presence of Barrett and sentiment will keep Osborne consigned to the bench at best this season, unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It was me who used the term “preordained”, but what I meant was that it’s not all this talk about Crowley’s contract that has spurred the change as was suggested and I don’t think it’s a reaction to anyone’s performance against France.

    I don’t think it’s any harm to freshen the team especially after a loss. The only guys (apparently) coming in are those who are very close to the first XV anyway; Ryan, Conan, Crowley, Ringrose. There’s no left field selection that shows we’re cleaning house after last week. I think McCarthy definitely deserves a day on the naughty step for his stupidity but POM and Aki didn’t do anything last week to deserve to be dropped.

    I am glad we’re picking Boyle though, hopefully he gets a decent run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    I am sure the IRFU will and have offered Crowley a reasonable amount compared to his current deal. I would sincerely hope that they haven't lowballed him.

    At the end of they day, if the money Leicester are offering is anywhere near true then he needs to strongly consider that offer in a career/profession racked with uncertainty.

    I don't think the IRFU can compete with that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    IRFU & Irish management team have handled this situation really poorly and in full glare, it wouldn’t even be an issue if the mismanagement of Crowley hadn’t been so apparent, Leicester being very opportunistic. I’m a huge fan of Andy Farrell and he gets most things right, but this has been a low point and unfair to put everything on Easterby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Under half it according to Ruadhrai o Connor today.

    Playing him against Italy now after the horse has bolted (the tournament) smacks of a day late and a dollar short. After being slapped in the face repeatedly having not put a foot wrong in last years win, I'd imagine he'll see it for what it is - a sop to him and to Munster people after what's gone on. Too little too late I think in the case of the fans anyway.

    It also makes no sense in SPs development to drop him right now. Just dent his confidence more, - but then isn't that what they do best.

    They really made a bed of nettles for themselves didn't they...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭VayNiice


    If Crowley decided to leave Munster and Ireland because he had to come off the bench in this year's 6 nations it would be a sign of a massive lack of mental fortitude and immaturity. I could understand if he left purely for the money though.

    However I dont believe for a second he is going to leave. It's called playing the game when it's contract renewal time.

    Just because Ben Healy **** the bed doesn't mean Crowley would do the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭ec18


    he's probably going to play half at ten and then the other half in the back row with the way coaches are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭crusd


    3 wins out of 4 and a triple crown is a disaster now?

    Its from views like this that the perception of arrogant irish rugby fans is growing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    It will be very interesting. It should be at 12. Osborne needs some consistency in selection now.

    14. was an odd selection. It may (& did!) have transpired differently.

    On the whole I think the selection last week was ok.

    This week, after the loss, I was hoping to see Osborne be given the opportunity at 12. Boyle & Clarkson given a start. Prendergast or Deegan at 6. I'm surprised that Crowley is starting. Just like I'm surprised Furlong is coming back for Italy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭TRC10


    If Crowley decided to leave Munster and Ireland because he had to come off the bench in this year's 6 nations it would be a sign of a massive lack of mental fortitude and immaturity.

    Or, it’s a sign that he rates himself higher than the treatment he’s gotten would suggest he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,225 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Is it only Munster players that **** the bed when they leave Ireland to play elsewhere or does it apply to all players from Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭perverseostrich


    Its only munster players allowed to leave so who knows



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Genuine question here;

    If Crowley leaving is "a sign that he rates himself higher than the treatment he's gotten", what will it mean if he stays?

    will that be a sign that he doesn't actually rate himself that highly? It must be, right?

    The funniest thing about all this is that people who think they're in Crowley's corner are actually making him out to be some petty child with zero loyalty to either province or country and zero faith in his own ability. All to get a few digs in at Ireland and IRFU.

    Utterly bizarre and utterly predictable.

    My bet is that relations between Crowley and Ireland are absolutely fine, he'll sign his contract, and precisely zero people here will admit they got it wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭crusd


    These soft types who take their ball home when they don't get their way and dont display any resilience are definitely not the type of players we need playing for Ireland.

    Thankfully, its only the fans who display these qualities



  • Administrators Posts: 56,219 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It is neither petty nor disloyal for him to take the money on offer and go, just like it was neither petty nor disloyal when Johnny Sexton did it a decade ago.

    Indeed I don't remember too many of the posters insinuating it would be a slight on his character to leave doing the same to Sexton, indeed I remember an awful lot of digs and whinging about Ireland and the IRFU back then.

    As you say, utterly bizarre and predictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭VayNiice


    No, Healy specifically. Wouldn't fight for his spot with Munster and now out of the Scotland team.

    But sure, make it provincial!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭typhoony


    The correct changes have been made, would like to have seen Boyle start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    RTE news : Crowley to start against Italy as Furlong returns

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/six-nations/2025/0313/1501858-crowley-to-start-against-italy-as-furlong-returns/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Congrats to Cian Healy on one of the great test careers. Finishes up on 137 Ireland caps.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,404 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


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