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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    That would be the Welsh game this time. With the break week and all.

    What are we going to learn from Crowley starting now?

    This would have been a good game for Prendergast to finish off the 6N with a flourish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Why would it be nonsensical, Ireland has traditionally changed the team a bit when playing Italy, we've nothing to lose now so you could expect even more change than normal.

    Of course there's politicking happening with contract negotiations, there always is. I said at the time that Sexton choose to leave that it actually strengthened the IRFU's hand, threatening to walk may mean you'll have to walk.

    I shocked to read though that the stumbling block seems to the duration, why couldn't they offer a 3yr contract and keep him at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    What are we going to learn from Crowley starting now?

    What would we have learned from playing him against Wales? Why do we need to learn anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    what would we have learned about playing him ever?

    why do we need to learn? Ever?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    I presume your joking!! Prendegast has had enough chances, enough is ENOUGH!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,410 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    From Thornley:


    Porter
    Sheehan
    Bealham
    Ryan
    Beirne
    Conan
    Josh
    Doris
    Gibson Park
    Crowley
    Lowe
    Henshaw
    Ringrose
    Hansen
    Keenan

    Bench:

    Boyle
    Herring
    Furlong
    McCarthy
    O'Mahony
    Murray
    Prendergast
    Aki

    Be pretty disappointed if Osborne doesn't make the 23. Aki doesn't offer much cover from the bench and frankly I think Osborne is better this season. Same with POM. What does he offer in this game that is more valuable than giving Prendergast or Izuchukwu a game?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Would have started Aki over Henshaw, and not to be contrary but Aki offered a lot off bench v Wales . Agree with you about POM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I would certainly hope that's the reason rather than pre-ordained or 'Italy' nonsense. Italy will be a challenge and given our current form is no certainty.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    That’s my point. We don’t need to learn from every single selection.

    We’re (apparently) rotating our centres, no one will ask what we’re going to learn from playing Henshaw at 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,249 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Would like to see Osborne start at 12. Think he offers us another dimension with his offloading game in midfield. Wouldn’t have Healy or POM in the 23.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    And that was my point…we don’t gain anything from Crowley selection. Sticking with Prendergast is just logical at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    im not even in the political boundaries of my sillly little country, silly little man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I don't mind Crowley starting.

    I also don't buy for one second that he's thinking of leaving. If he is because the pressure is on for his spot in the Ireland team then good riddance. However, there's nothing in his character that tells me he would give up so easily.

    Osborne at 12 is the one I want to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,741 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Osborne is a player we really should be trying to get as many minutes into as possible. He has the ability to be an excellent 12 or 15.

    Ireland management seems to want him at fullback, but he has the size and footballing ability to be a brilliant inside centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,410 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Think he's much better in the centers. Has a lovely gliding style of running and a great ability to get the ball away in the tackle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    There's zero chance there was a preordained plan to start a player at 10 for the opening four games and then rotate him out for the grand slam decider with a trophy to collect. Could you imagine?

    The defeat has clearly caused a change of thought in the selection if Thornley's team is accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,741 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I agree with you on Osborne's strengths as a centre. He's also an excellent offloader which imo is a rare thing in Irish born players.

    I think Farrell and his staff have seen the lack of options at fullback and are pointing Osborne's development in that direction for the moment. Keenan aside there's no other established 15 in the country that we can rely upon. Makes sense that Osborne is given a crack. Can still use his footballing skills, but we also then get the chance to use his kicking game. He has a bigger boot than Lowe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Not Sure Aki has 80 minutes in the tank anymore. Only done it once this seasom for ireland and that was the first game of the season.

    Id prefer to see Osborne 23 or even 12 with henshaw 23.

    Will be interesting to see where Osborne plays v harlequins if everyone is fit and Barrett is back too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Lowry? Haley? Shane Daly? None of them worth a shot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Where has it been suggested he's leaving because of the pressure for his Ireland spot?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,741 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I don't think so, no.

    Lowry maybe had the chance to establish himself as a counterattacking threat unlike any other fullback we had. But he seems to have plateaued in recent seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,410 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I feel the presence of Barrett and sentiment will keep Osborne consigned to the bench at best this season, unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It was me who used the term “preordained”, but what I meant was that it’s not all this talk about Crowley’s contract that has spurred the change as was suggested and I don’t think it’s a reaction to anyone’s performance against France.

    I don’t think it’s any harm to freshen the team especially after a loss. The only guys (apparently) coming in are those who are very close to the first XV anyway; Ryan, Conan, Crowley, Ringrose. There’s no left field selection that shows we’re cleaning house after last week. I think McCarthy definitely deserves a day on the naughty step for his stupidity but POM and Aki didn’t do anything last week to deserve to be dropped.

    I am glad we’re picking Boyle though, hopefully he gets a decent run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    I am sure the IRFU will and have offered Crowley a reasonable amount compared to his current deal. I would sincerely hope that they haven't lowballed him.

    At the end of they day, if the money Leicester are offering is anywhere near true then he needs to strongly consider that offer in a career/profession racked with uncertainty.

    I don't think the IRFU can compete with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    IRFU & Irish management team have handled this situation really poorly and in full glare, it wouldn’t even be an issue if the mismanagement of Crowley hadn’t been so apparent, Leicester being very opportunistic. I’m a huge fan of Andy Farrell and he gets most things right, but this has been a low point and unfair to put everything on Easterby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Under half it according to Ruadhrai o Connor today.

    Playing him against Italy now after the horse has bolted (the tournament) smacks of a day late and a dollar short. After being slapped in the face repeatedly having not put a foot wrong in last years win, I'd imagine he'll see it for what it is - a sop to him and to Munster people after what's gone on. Too little too late I think in the case of the fans anyway.

    It also makes no sense in SPs development to drop him right now. Just dent his confidence more, - but then isn't that what they do best.

    They really made a bed of nettles for themselves didn't they...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭VayNiice


    If Crowley decided to leave Munster and Ireland because he had to come off the bench in this year's 6 nations it would be a sign of a massive lack of mental fortitude and immaturity. I could understand if he left purely for the money though.

    However I dont believe for a second he is going to leave. It's called playing the game when it's contract renewal time.

    Just because Ben Healy **** the bed doesn't mean Crowley would do the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭ec18


    he's probably going to play half at ten and then the other half in the back row with the way coaches are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭crusd


    3 wins out of 4 and a triple crown is a disaster now?

    Its from views like this that the perception of arrogant irish rugby fans is growing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,567 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    It will be very interesting. It should be at 12. Osborne needs some consistency in selection now.

    14. was an odd selection. It may (& did!) have transpired differently.

    On the whole I think the selection last week was ok.

    This week, after the loss, I was hoping to see Osborne be given the opportunity at 12. Boyle & Clarkson given a start. Prendergast or Deegan at 6. I'm surprised that Crowley is starting. Just like I'm surprised Furlong is coming back for Italy.



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