BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

I laugh at that even harder.

Good question

Once a bus service is put in somewhere, it's very hard to remove it. Re: Wadelai or Confey, even though they are both on other high frequency corridors.

Personally, I don't see the need for the Palermo loop, most of the estate is within a 5 minute walk of the Dublin Road and the routes there. The estate seems to have caused nothing but problems for the old 185 and now the L14. While I'm aware of the physical constraints, the Fassaroe Estate would likely benefit more from the restoration of its service than Palermo. However, that's a whole other discussion…

The link between the Luas and Bray Station is one that shouldn't have been removed originally and it's good to see it coming back, however, I still do think it would have been better for the L12 to continue onto Brides Glen/Cherrywood. It could also take some pressure off the E1.

It also retains a direct link to Loughlinstown Hospital from the Vevay Road end of Bray

Have a look at the timetables for Bus Éireann Expressway Routes 22 and 23. 3 services on each route are pick up and drop off at Maynooth (67A Terminus) stop which allows for a trip to the airport.

The 45a is still running

Doesn't go to Loughlinstown Hospital

The 45a never went near the Hospital on it's route between Dun Laoghaire & Kilmacanogue.

The route currently goes through Shanganagh Road & Church Road when it travels between Shankill & Ballybrack. That bus will become the L11 route which will run via Sallynoggin College, Mounttown Road, York Road once the 45a is eventually scrapped under the B-Spine.

The 84/a used to go near Loughlinstown Hospital when it traversed between Brides Glen & Newcastle/Bray. Will the L14 take on the same route as the 84 between the Hospital & Brides Glen Luas once the extension is place by the summer?

I'd would say it will take the same route as the old 84/A. There's no other way to get from Shankill to the Hospital and the Luas, unless it goes from Bray straight onto the motorway to the Luas, which I can't see happening.

They don't seem to want a terminus but want a bus service. Palermo can only be served without a terminus if they add a loop to an existing service. They can't have their cake and eat it.

According to bus times 2 buses seems to be the PVR for the route. So it seems the issue there's too much work on the route for only one bus to manage but too little to warrant two buses. If GAI operated this route it would probably be interworked with other routes but DB don't generally do this.

The L14's PVR of four could well be the result of making duties for the sake of making duties – to somehow justify a 5-over-7 roster of 25 drivers in Bray, which immediately calls for 20 Mon-Fri duties.

I'm not aware if anything has changed, but in the first proposed bill the only E1 to be worked out of Bray was going to be a single Parnell Square/Ballywaltrim afternoon short, otherwise it was intended to be L12+L14+X2 only.

IMHO more than having the E1 in Bray, they should've mixed both E1 and E2 between Donnybrook and Harristown and tried to figure out a decent enough balancing act that would avoid as much empty mileage across the entire city as possible – so put as much of the northside-starting and -finishing buses in Harristown and southside in Donnybrook as possible. Then again, however, a lot of the peak-time E1/E2s were (at least at first) proposed to only work Garage→Terminus A→Terminus B→Garage in the morning peak, so either way there would be some empty mileage I guess.

Does anyone know how to get the timetable for the 161 bus on the TFI app?
Im just looking to see if it’s running on paddy’s day and if so what times?

Not really much of a difference in dead running between the E2 in DL and the 4 in Monkstown when Harristown were running it.