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Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    That share price :)

    Does Musk even care?

    Maybe Tesla is now a has beens and the other auto makers will take it from here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,360 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I’m not getting the VW share price rise, it’s hardly people thinking they’re the next Tesla or an anti tesla play. Don’t hold any vw, Porsche or Tesla any more.

    Last bet was on Xiaomi when they announced the su7 and I’m still holding, it’s worth looking into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Screenshot 2025-03-10 at 17.05.08.png


    Edolf needs to think of more moonshot ideas to hype the share price again. Robotaxi and Optimus isn't working🤡

    Post edited by DrPsychia on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭positron


    The message out there is clearly "Muck Fusk".

    Comeuppance I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭fits


    it’s only back at nov 2024 levels. Wouldn’t get too excited yet.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Still a decline of 50+% compared to its peak, probably costing Musk around $100 billion.

    Of course seeing how crazy things are, the stock could go in the opposite direction tomorrow if the market (private investors in particular) buy into the next ridiculous promise that comes from Musk.

    Post edited by embraer170 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    todays tsla action smells like a standard capitulation phase - where investors bailed slowly for the past month, and then suddenly. A 15% drop for a 800bn company is a monster single-day move. It’s $120bn of net selling.


    its 52wk low is $139, and if its capitulating this ‘early’, it’s unlikely to plumb new lows this time around - ie the momentum is still there, it’s just weeding out the weak investors.

    investors who stay invested now will be the ones who aren’t bothered about his political views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Let's not wish a sharp decline in Tesla share price too quickly, without giving citizens here a chance to move company pensions over to non-equity based categories. Many Irish pensions are linked 25%+ to the "Magnificent 7" US tech stocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    well the funds will hold those stocks in proportion to their size of the overall market the fund invests in (eg if it’s a US-only fund, the proportion will obviously be a higher). last time I looked at my own, I think Apple was the largest holding, around 2%, so presumably tsla is less than a single % of any fund. It wouldn’t cost me a single wink of sleep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Not universal though. Many pensions are much deeper into the magnificent 7 than yours.

    TSLA isn't the only stock on the slide either. Doesn't do anyone in this country any good, although a CEO change might rally Tesla stock it's unlikely to positively affect Microsoft, Nvidia, or Google while the US is so volatile right now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,360 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    It would take steady hands to short this down to $113. If it dips to $170/180 terrority it's worth loading the truck, you'll still probably get a nice return this year if buying in a around $200 if it goes that low, June/July should see some momentum when sales are moving well and a possible model Q.

    The old adaje applies, buy the rumour(musk is hitler, owners getting Nazi salutes from subaru drivers and pedestrains), sell the news(stock is in free flow and selling well when Juniper starts landing in real numbers).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    True, but they’re pensions, so by their very nature you should be checking on it every year or even every few years. Days like today are far more common since 2008, and you’d do well to just ignore them.

    Tesla is a massively complicated stock too, for lots of reasons. It’s effectively a momentum stock, so it’s going to be more volatile than the market



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,590 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Eh, excuse me, those Subaru drivers and pedestrians were doing Roman salutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭embraer170


    https://www.thejournal.ie/trump-to-buy-tesla-elon-musk-shares-plunge-6645550-Mar2025/?utm_source=shortlink&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2LhIVn-medClumCXObnfM_bqvQcDaMgljC5jNVqIUqLlK5Ds9bzjKAcyw_aem_2-ndT9L6vhgzEGH27f_TUQ


    You would think this is a joke?! Tesla sales figures must be looking pretty poor if this is what they come up with now. It will be interesting to see how the markets react.

    “But the Radical Left Lunatics, as they often do, are trying to illegally and collusively boycott Tesla, one of the World’s great automakers, and Elon’s ‘baby,’ in order to attack and do harm to Elon, and everything he stands for.

    “I’m going to buy a brand new Tesla tomorrow morning as a show of confidence and support for Elon Musk, a truly great American.

    “Why should he be punished for putting his tremendous skills to work in order to help MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN???”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Trump trying to pump TSLA which is clearly a highly overvalued stale company, led by a fascist.


    Imagine if Obama or Biden named a specific American product, in the oval office, that they were going to buy as a show of support. Republicans would be screaming corruption, impeachment, ethics, abuse of power, conflict of interest.

    When it's their cult leader, no problemo, business as usual, it's patriotism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    there’s a very likely scenario whereby we simply become accustomed to musks antics and this period of ‘cancel musk’ will dissipate just like all the other things that raise the ire of the internet, and Tesla sales start to rise again. The cars are great, if you’re in the market for it.

    If sales drop 10% this year, it’s just 180,000 people worldwide deciding to choose some other EV. You could argue that probably half of that 180k would’ve chosen something else purely down to the fact that there are now so many options (I’m in the vw pcp cycle, so the ID3 GTX is the only vw EV for me for example)

    It’s really so so few people that this whole musk ire matters to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Well if it’s getting MAGA types into EVs. every cloud has a silver lining.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    New options are definitely eroding teslas market share in China where other brands have more tech for less, but I would imagine there are people put off the brand elsewhere just avoid a falling resale value.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭DrPsychia


    Valid point, it is possible but I hope not.

    I do empathise with people who've wanted to buy a Tesla for years, but they weren't in the financial position to buy one before Elon Goebbels rhetoric started to become quite dark.

    One such guy I work with has very liberal views, and has worked really hard for years, he bought a new M3 recently. He's delighted with his purchase but also feels terrible that he's supporting Elon by extension. He said he just had an itch to scratch and will never buy another Tesla again unless Musk leaves the company.

    Those of us, myself included, who already had the Tesla ownership experience, sometimes forget what that feeling of wanting to own a Tesla, or any specific brand of car, felt like. Therefore I feel empathy for my colleague. What differentiates my opinion of him from particular posters on this forum is his unadultered hatred for Musk, and everything Musk supports and stands for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well Tesla as a stock was already massively overvalued. Even with price to earnings already halved to 120 in recent weeks it's still rediculously overvalued compared to its competitors.

    It impossible to separate politics from the brand now with a sitting president endorsing it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    10x since 2020. If you put a regression function on the chart from 2019 to 2025, it's clearly an upward line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No, it doesn't. There's no evidence for it. Only intelligent people who can count and base their opinions on reality and facts buy EVs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Almost all those advertisers have returned to Twitter, including Disney who he singled out that day.

    Capitalism has a very short memory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,360 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    That’s simply not true going by the CNN poll yesterday, they’ve got backing from the public.

    As for Tesla being done the short interest only moved about 0.5% since the whole Tesla takedown campaign started.

    If you want to short an EV play its charge point and plug share investors believe are toast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭HBC08


    That's a sad situation for him.

    Life is short,

    drive the car you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,360 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,994 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    it's hilarious to see former Tesla zealots now losing their minds over Musk's antics. What car are they going to buy instead - a Chinese one?

    This sort of flip flopping and idiotic decision making is rooted in insecurity, poor attention spans and narcissism.

    2020: I'm buying a Tesla. I'm saving the planet. All the celebrities in California drive them, they're so cool. I'm great

    2025: I'm never buying a Tesla again. I'm not supporting that evil man. He'll miss my money. I'm great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,432 ✭✭✭✭fits


    you know some people have different values to you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yes its called changing your opinion when new facts are presented to you, something you obviously have never had the wherewithal to allow yourself to do as it might mean you were shock horror ….. wrong about something…..



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