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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I've only seen 2 or 3 games from Bolton, but I do like the look of him. I don't think he's a new Lowe, but he is fast and strong. Probably a more traditional wing but with more heft. Good prospect anyway.

    TOB could be excellent but I simply don't trust him to stay fit. Nash is fine, but just not at the level required. It was noticeable missing both Lowe and Hansen today just how mediocre our game looked when the ball went wide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Henry McErlean has the X factor & unpredictability, always said it , but it’s hard to grasp until you see it on match day . Same for Reuben ex Rock player , super talented



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Piskin


    Need to trawl the south sea's again for player's. We have to face the fact we are nowhere without them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I'm continually baffled by the appointment of Goodman. The two times Ireland have faced top four teams under him - NZ in November and France today - the attack has floundered. Top quality opposition just shuts it down without much difficulty. Scoring the second and third tries today is hardly a good reflection as France had quit playing because they were so far ahead. Why anyone would look at Leinster struggling in very much the same manner to break down Toulouse and the Bulls last season and think 'Yesss, we need some of that for our team' is beyond me. Goodman getting that gig is the definition of failing upwards.

    The defence is a fair way short of where it needs to be too. 34 points conceded in the 2nd half isn't far off the scoring rate France had for 80 minutes against Italy. Although the 7 points from the interception can be put down more to Ireland's poor attack.

    Chastening defeat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Juventu4


    We still have 2 years to build for thr RWC, main points going forward:

    Ireland needs a kick up the whole with selection, Healy, Murray and POM should have been moved on especially after the Autumn series. Hodneet, McNabney, Ahern, Soroka need to he brought into the squad as it needs more youthful power and bite.

    Osborne is not a winger, he can be a top class fullback and centre so play him in position.

    Boyle needs to be in the starting 23 for loosehead prop, he can scrum and can carry powerfully.

    This is a whole system/genetic issue but Ireland struggles to produce athletic backs at the top end compared to other teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,818 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    seeding for the next world cup will be pre-2026 6 nations?

    then we need to experiment like lunatics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Why do we rarely have players with top end speed . We looks so slow . The last truely fast player was Denis Hickie .

    Separately James Ryan needs to start ahead of Joe McCarthy next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Baloucoune has, or at least had top end pace. But he's a player that never really kicked on from his initial promise. He's 27 now and it feels like his development has completely stalled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Juventu4


    Completely forgot about him, but yes he's all the physical attributes to excel at test level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    This was the week to start James Ryan ahead of McCarthy. At least Ryan can do the basics of lock forward play without giving away brain dead penalties and getting sin binned.

    I'm beyond incensed about 'Big Joe'. He needs the hair dryer treatment. Bags of ability and physicality but his attitude, mentality and workrate are miles off. He's been bigged up by the media and has failed to deliver in a big way in the last 12 months.

    James Ryan is criminally underrated. Him and Beirne work so well together as a lock pairing because Ryan is willing to roll up his sleeves and melt into rucks and tackles for every game which allows Beirne to loiter for the poach. Big Joe is doing his best Neil Francis impression at ruck time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Juventu4


    James Hume as well looked the real deal, not sure what happened to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    Ultimately what has happened him and other prospects in the 3 non Leinster provinces is that they are playing in poor teams who are being beaten regularly. It's hard to measure up to the competition in blue when your team is struggling.

    Munster and Ulster in particular are in the mire. Both former European champions and both are so far from that standard now it's frightening. Us down in Munster are lauding the signing of a new coach but I fear he's in for a rough ride because we don't have the players.

    Connacht historically have struggled and that's why their current performance looks favourable in comparison to the other 2 provinces. Munster and Ulster have fallen further back than Connacht have advanced.

    All the eggs are in one basket and it has paid off overall in the past 10 years with 6N success. We need four proud provinces though if we wish to go to the next level.

    Case in point is Jamie Osborne. Clearly a real prospect for the centre. But not a winger. But because the other 3 provinces are struggling to produce it appears to be the best option to select the man in blue well out of position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Hume has suffered a few very bad injuries that have kept him out for a long time. Wouldn't be too hard on him for failing to stake a claim to an Ireland squad spot.

    But there appears to be issues at Ulster with regards to bringing through promising young players. Michael Lowry hasn't broken into Ireland squads either like many expected him to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Osborne was one of the better players in the backline lads. Seriously the hyperbole is off the charts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Again, Ulster. I'm not saying that to **** on them, I think they've had some of the best backs in the country over the decade. The two who shall not be named, Stockdale, Marshall, Lowry, Baloucoune, Hume, McCloskey, Doak. If those lads had been at Leinster, I've little doubt they would have prospered. Criminal waste of talent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    That seems to be a thing with Ulster though. So many talented players who have been coming through there seem to get a lot of injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭Packrat


    100% agreement.

    Big Joe appears to be a lazy work-shy oaf.

    Ryan and Beirne are one of the few settled units in this team which consistently works - because theyre both grafters (with grey matter).

    Giving Joe a central contract looks very very previous this evening.

    He should be out of the 23 for Italy and a half a dozen bench appearances away from starting after his performances in this tournament. Today was beyond appalling but entirely predictable given his previous similar if less blatant efforts.

    He needs to fix his workrate and stop with the stupid obvious penalties.

    Compare and contrast with POM who was utterly hateful abd horrible today if you were French but never attracted a second of ref attention in doing it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Juventu4


    But again he's not a winger lacks that pace, he's the ideal 23 as he can cover multiple positions but he can be world class in fullback or centre. I know we had injuries but the fact that we still hadn't a proper winger brought in is telling.

    I'd like to see Bolton, prioritised as he's got that power, Tommy O'brien if he can stay fit is a serious option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Unfair to select Sam so young at 10. Crowley more than able. Selectors got key decisions wrong and it cost us the 6N



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I know he's not an out-and-out winger but people are using that as a stick to beat him with which is getting my back up.

    I fully agree with you about Tommy O'Brien. If he could stay fit I think he has all of the talent to be the real deal.

    I haven't seen much of Shane Bolton but from what I have seen, he definitely looks to have something about him. It will be be hard to replace Lowe though. Very few in world rugby has the raw strength he has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,224 ✭✭✭✭phog


    In fairness, it was called out before a ball was kicked today, so it's not a reaction to the loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,641 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Today has been in the post for McCarthy.

    He had a strong start to his 18 caps, but when is the last time he put in a > 7/10 performance? You're probably going back 6 or 7 games at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    His best game was probably the one early on in Marseille against France. Bit of a worry that he hasn't really reached that level since. I think we all expected him to improve but not sure he has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    Yet he was given a CC regardless. 14 tackles over his last two games. Those are shocking numbers for a lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Agree with this. It absolutely blows my mind that Ryan isn't starting. McCarthy is so lacklustre for someone with his physical tools. His pathetic clear out attempt in the WC vs Whitelock is a perfectly encapsulation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭Juventu4


    Oh definitely not criticising Osborne, too me it's the coaches have to take the criticism and it's the same with Healy, O'Mahony selected, I'm not blaming the players but like FFS the coaches should be getting stick for not bringing in Boyle, Healy well past it. O,Mahony with age lacks that power for a blindside, this is where Izuchukwu should be giving the chance.

    In Ireland we seem to have a bad habit of failing to move on from players past their sell by date or even when they're injured and way off form, we love beating the dead horse.



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  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the coaching team have a lot of thinking to do after that showing. The French demonstrated a clear blueprint for beating us yesterday - drag us into a power based forward game, slow our ball, and grind us down. They gave a lot of penalties away in the first 20 but it was all part of their strategy to make our forwards work too hard. People will point to similar games we won in the past but on average over multiple seasons we'll lose those games to bigger power teams.

    I normally avoid calling out specific players as being poor but I think Joe McCarthy deserves a mention this time. He didn't bring enough workrate while on the pitch and his yellow card was incredibly stupid. The maul try in the corner shortly after he went off was a direct result of the French being able to target our weakened pack. If he's struggling to impact the game with his size and power then James Ryan is twice the player in terms of skill and workrate.



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