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Inconsiderate neighbour - looking for advice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭SteM


    So you've been calling 999 (112), the emergency services, when there's been a noise disturbance? They're right to tell you not to do that anymore to be honest, you should have been calling your local station to log the complaints imho. I wouldn't expect them to send anyone out quickly, or at all if they're very busy, but at least there would have been a log of the problem.

    IIRC the male rang the doorbell and shouted at you because your father had told his wife not to park in the space in front of your house, that was the post you deleted wasn't it? Best thing to do there is get a Ring doorbell which will record any future confrontation with them and will also allow you to see who is at the door if you don't want to speak to them. Also, others have advised you to try and have that space turned into a disabled parking space, have you contacted a local councilor to see if that's possible?

    How bad can it get? Do they own their home or do they rent, if they own then you might have a real long term problem. Noise issues rarely get sorted quickly in my limited experience. We had an alcoholic living beside us for a few years and she was loud playing music 3 or 4 nights/mornings a week, you could tell when she was really drunk because she played the same song over and over. I don't know how her 3 kids functioned in the mornings tbh. We'd just had our son at the time and we were being driven mental. Eventually she moved on but that was only because she got a council house somewhere else. The landlord was 'sympathetic' whenever we complained to him but he didn't live there so didn't really care at the end of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Our local Garda told us to raise ALL issues on our street with 112 because it helps their statistics regarding getting more policing in our area. It seemed overkill to me to be honest but that was what they said.

    OP hopefully this has stopped for you by now. I wouldn't worry about retribution - hopefully that is the end of it. Enjoy your home now that hopefully the Gardai have dealt with it. If they do something, its not as if they won't be prime suspect.

    Above all, don't lower yourself to their level. Some people just don't know what is fair and just and honest or choose not to. Keep the higher moral ground.

    But best of luck because I know this is everybody's worst nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    Actually, the loud music has not stopped. It still happens 2-3 times a week. This is why I am still engaging with the Gardai on this.

    The unpredictability of the loud music is the killer, really. I see the male's van parked out front which means he is back from work and it puts me on edge about when the loud music is going to start. And when it does start, it is an anxious wait for it to end. This is no way to live! I know minor considering what many other people in the world are suffering but my situation expands to fill my mind and is driving me crazy. I am doing more meditation and mindfulness practices these days but this issue is always at the back of my mind.

    I need a lasting solution with a fair degree of certainty of peace & quiet and I think it is only possible through the Courts. But I need to gather all perspectives before I go down that route which is why I am posting here.

    Thank you all for your input.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


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    Neighbour playing loud music IS one of the examples given on the Citizens Information website. I couldn't believe the Garda categorically refusing to accept that my next door neighbour's behaviour is anti-social. It got to a point this morning when I had to ask him to listen to me with an open mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    The issue is with the wording, it doesn't say that it categorically state that it is "this may amount to anti-social behaviour".

    You'll need plenty of evidence, volume of music, consistency and length of how long it goes on for and not just notes, video and audio recordings before they'll take you seriously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    I have asked them many times previously what standard of evidence was required for me to collect. They just ignore this query.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Honestly, I wouldn't be putting too much hope in the ASBO legislation getting you the result you want.

    You might have more luck with making a noise nuisance complaint to the local county council.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/pollution/noise-regulations/#:~:text=You%20can%20report%20a%20noise,local%20authorities%20in%20noise%20complaints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,868 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's not up to Gardai to advise you on what civil proceedings you should or shouldn't take. That's way out of their lane,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    Have spoken to the Environmental office at the local council. They told me they don't deal with noise pollution from private dwellings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    It sounds like the Gardai have a fair amount of information from you about this. They have spoken to your neighbour but you are not satisfied that the loud music is still happening. Maybe contact a solicitor and get some legal advice about your options. What part of the country are you living?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    This is happening in the South Dublin area.

    It is not very clear if someone from the Gardai have already spoken to the neighbour after one of my 112 calls. At one point I was told this had happened but now no one is able to confirm either way. I raised this with the Gardai, that it would be worrying if the neighbour continued with the noise nuisance despite being spoken to by them.

    The two Community Gardai who visited us this morning have told us they will try and speak to the neighbours in the near future when both the male and female are at home. If this doesn't solve the issue, a Section 108 civil case seems like the next step for us.

    Still worried about some form of retaliation but cannot go on like this either!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Write to the Superintendent in your local station, detailing how this is impacting you and your elderly parents.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Yes, a bit like everything else if you get the wrong Garda who doesn't give a toss you can be very unlucky, or get one who takes the job seriously you can get sorted. In this day and age, everybody can listen to loud music with headphones FFS. In Germany you aren't even allowed have a shower in an apartment block after 10pm or something.

    How can our state authorities not sort this sort of thing out.

    Don't worry about retaliation OP, you are doing nothing wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Could you ask if they could use headphones while listening to music.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 blanchwill


    I think you need to seek legal advice from a solicitor. I feel sorry for you and your parents, your home is supposed to be your safe place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 andy6


    I worked with an audiologist who 'sound proofed' her room by having special lining paper pasted on sideways on the wall, and wallpaper put on normally over the top. This was years ago and it worked really well. I'm sure there are much better noise solutions in place now, am thinking cork board, but builders merchants would know. Would be worth a few bob to sound them out. Re the parking situation, can you get a friend to park in your space (widely) for a few days/weeks. Thirdly, DO think of moving, life is short, not worth the hassle, and your parents' health is fragile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    Not going to deal with them directly anymore. The female actually showed my father the middle finger; no provocation at all from my father at the time, he was just simply leaving the house for his usual morning walk. I was watching the whole thing from the upstairs window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    Yes - unlucky with neighbours and unlucky with the Gardai assigned to the case too. Only consolation is that they are not the ultimate authority of the land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,325 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    One thing I'd suggest if you are dealing with the Gardaí in future. Don't ring 999/112 - ring the local station instead. While the noise is intrusive and annoying it's not an emergency so it won't help your case if you're annoying them via the wrong means. But absolutely I'd be ringing the station everytime things get out of hand. They'll have a record of your call coming in then and at least you know somebody had heard what you said rather than an email which might go nowhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    I would have though this was the case myself, but we were told by a Garda to phone 112 with all incidents - "Incoming calls are triaged and calls are dealt with in order of urgency. Importantly, dialling 112 allows the calls to be logged and then assessed when it comes to allocating policing resources to our area".

    I find this hard to believe myself, but this is what a Garda told our residents association.

    Now I can't really say if this is enough of an "incident" so to speak (I suspect not…) but the problem with ringing the local Garda station is that if you get the wrong Garda who doesn't care, and keep calling etc it'll quickly be the case that the OP is "the Number 10 Station Road moaner". If its received through 112, is it more likely that "Garda X did nothing"? I don't know. I suspect they can easily say they didn't have time or resources at that time.

    I don't know what the answer is though, just passing on what we heard.

    OP if you don't get anywhere with the local Garda, would it be worth writing to the Superintendent in the station or organising a meeting with him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    I got written advice to call 112 each time the noise nuisance happened. On the 3rd time I called 112, the strangest thing happened - the 112 operator transferred me to a Garda directly, instead of just taking my details for the patrol car.

    This Garda had the most brusque manner I have had to deal with. He made it sound like I was some crank caller and was making an unnecessarily big deal out of normal living noises. This experience was more distressing than the noise nuisance itself.

    The two community Gardai who visited me yesterday have told me they are going to have a word with the neighbours when both the male and the female are at home. I am prepared to give them the space to do this first before escalating it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭C3PO


    I find it hard to believe that anyone thinks calling 999 because your neighbour is being noisy is a good idea? This is an “emergency” number! It’s no wonder the Garda treated the OP like a crank called imo!

    From Garda.ie:

    In an emergency always dial 999/112

    You should use this service if a crime or incident is happening now or if anyone is in immediate danger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Mannesmann


    I've a bad neighbor too, big, loud and obnoxious. He wants to buy my plot of land to add to his but I've told him no way. He has already has a plot on the other side of my fence to the North and says it would be great to connect them all up. Recently he says he might just walk in and take my plot anyway. He has a fair few shotguns and is a bit mad and I'm getting a bit worried now especially as he threatened others in the local bars to a fight! What Can I do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    If he makes any threat to you, you should immediately make your local Garda station aware of the situation,

    I know AGS take the possibility of a licensed firearm holder acting in a threatening manner very seriously.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,769 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    I was told the same recently, similar issues as yourself, but it's escalated in my case to criminal damage.

    The Garda will only act if the noise is occurring after 12am and before 7am, and even then.. best they can do is give a verbal warning, which has no effect with some people.

    This is a civil matter, and can be brought before the courts by YOU, gather evidence, write down the times, dates, how loud, record it if you can, stick your phone to the wall if you have to, mention the vibrations, how long it goes on for etc.. and keep doing that until you get a court date. They will be summonsed and your evidence can be presented to the court.

    You can walk into whichever court you're nearest to, ask for the court secretary and explain your case, you'll be given forms to fill out and a fee to pay, 40quid or something. Once it's all filled out, they will eventually send you a letter for your court date.

    If the neighbours in the meantime do anything to your property, call the gards immediately and explain the whole shebang.

    Ring Doorbell, or cheap security cameras on your property are helpful.

    You're not alone with this type of situation. Irish law is lacking badly for protecting property owners in these cases, but a solicitors letter or court date could work as good as or better than the Gards can.

    Court especially.

    Edit: Also, if they are renting - https://disputes.rtb.ie/Disputes/General.aspx you can raise a dispute with the RTB as a third party. Takes a few months to get anywhere with them, but their landlord will be notified fairly quickly regarding the mediation dispute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Have to agree, neighbour noise is a nuisance but can’t see that AGS will keep calling to the neighbours to sort it out. Even if a case gets before a judge, they could order mediation which may not work. Two people can have very different ideas about what is extremely loud music.
    Communal parking regularly causes issues, but unfortunately if residents are free to park in any of the available spaces, there’s not a lot can be done about it. That’s the same in most new developments now.

    OP should try to find out if the noisy neighbours are owners or renters, and consult a solicitor for legal advice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    It sounds totally stupid to me re calling 112 but it was what a Garda told our residents group to do.

    To be fair, the Garda who was short with her would probably be just as ignorant if you rang the station. Never be afraid to ask which Garda you are speaking to - this tends to focus the mind regarding their attitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 DareToBeARose


    Actually, I think the rude Garda on the phone was one of the two who visited us at home on Wednesday - same tone of voice, same dismissive attitude, same categorical refusal to see our point of view.

    They do not like to give their names. On the phone, every time I asked for the name of the Garda I had been speaking to, the phone was disconnected immediately.

    I agree calling an emergency number is madness for noise nuisance. I had been assured over and over again that this is what I had to do. It is not as if they were going to drop everything else and turn up immediately for a noise nuisance complaint. I get that.

    I also understand the under-resourcing and poor morale in the force. And the community & soft policing culture in Ireland.

    I really don't mind if no one did turn up. My intention was to log the nuisance. However, two things upset me -

    1. When I followed up with the station the following mornings after the 112 calls, no one was able to tell me either way if any action had been taken in the matter. I had even been misled at one point that a patrol car had turned up and spoken to the neighbours. Now the community Garda says they cannot be sure it happened. Even a honest response that they were too busy to respond would have been good enough for me.

    2. Being transferred directly to this really rude person from 112, like there is a note on the emergency call centre to do this if there was ever a call from our address. He seemed primed in advance to let rip if I ever called.

    I see from other discussion forums that this sort of thing is quite normal. I am trying to adjust my expectations.

    Hence considering next steps.

    Post edited by DareToBeARose on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    II'd get the whole family out of the house from time to time and leave the musics fuckin blaring for hours at a time. Put some heavy metal on full whack Sunday morning would be a perfect time. It might piss the other neighbour off unless you are the end of a terrace like me.



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