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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭DelBoy Trotter


    Edit: Answer to my question already found!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Ev fan


    I assume that's the 6 Tesla chargers at the Johnstown estate? - never been there - up to now I have only used ecars. I assume these are open to other brand cars - what's the process for me charging there ? - are there facilities there or is it just the hotel? Maybe I need to broaden my horizons beyond ecars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Ev fan


    Possibly true but given that he only occasionally does longer journeys an EV should be a viable option. He is a lifelong Toyota man and if the BZ4X had a more useful bigger battery it might fit the bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2025/0305/1500414-e-chargers/

    Residents In trouble for installing chargers in car park spaces outside their houses, no driveways.

    Aggressive stance from the council about removal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Mostly the management company from reading that article. Council staying quiet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭creedp


    Of course it's a viable option but isn't it great that we live in a non tolitarian society that allows, within reason, people freedom of choice. Personally I think it's great that people have options because if everyone was forced into an EV tomorrow the grid would probably be in trouble and queues would be far more common at public chargepoint. A gradual transition to EVs is is the best option for everyone imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,147 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'll play devils advocate in one respect and say that a poorly placed charger would prevent a wheelchair or buggy from getting past easily. There was one example in London where the council managed to almost completely block a footpath

    Now in this particular case it actually looks like the person placed the charger so it isn't blocking any part of the path but it's hard to be sure from the pictures

    Looks like another case of a management company doing the only thing they're good at; making the residents life miserable

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,147 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I presume you could use some dynamic power limiting to keep the motors in a low torque mode

    Or you control based on wheel rpm. The accelerator sets the desired speed, the car knows how fast each wheel should be turning and either adds or reduces power to each motor to achieve that

    The Rivian uses a motor on each wheel so I'm guessing they have some solution

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    There is gearing in the motor, so it's conceivable to have a lower gear set in there too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Mr Q


    Yeah those are the ones I mean. There always seems to be plenty available when I check on the Tela app.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Nothing to do with the Council. All MC driven.

    I get asked this all the time, people always say, better to ask for forgiveness….Not where MC's are involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    I would say the real thing will look much the same. I really don't know what Volkswagen are doing. They are facing an onslaught of far more interesting and unique designs from the East and time and time again we get this minimalist Germanic design that does little to excite. It's understandable from the heritage point of view, but the game has moved on. Volkswagen needs to get exciting and desirable. This looks like neither.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Explosive_Cornflake


    I like it.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    I like it. I think it’s hit much more of a mass market design than stuff coming from the East.


    what particular cars from the east would you highlight as competitors

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    My point is not about specific competitors but about the fundamental design philosophies between companies such as Volkswagen and their eastern competitors. Hyundai, Kia and now China realise we are on the cusp of something very different and are producing challenging, interesting and some quirky designs as a result. They are eye-catching, not necessarily pretty but, original and attract a lot of interest. The Germans seems stuck unable to shake off their legacy design language.

    Renault are currently showing real design flair and in my opinion that's what's missing from Germany.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-id-every1-previews-%C2%A317k-city-car-2027

    I know it's a city car but the range is very poor for a €20k+ car. If you're actually that budget conscious buy a Dacia spring for less money and get more range (even if it's not a nice car).

    It looks just like a VW Up! Which I guess it's what it's replacing, however the Up! Never looked good in the first place either.

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    quirky don’t sell in high numbers

    Post edited by liamog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    No fee going back to the management committee when residents go down their own route and get proactive about their environment. Those images looked like sensible and tidy installs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,362 ✭✭✭zg3409


    If every new car was forced to be an EV tomorrow the grid would be ok. No one is charging at peak times 5-7pm when the grid strains. Most home charging is overnight from 11pm or later when the grid has tons of excess capacity. Sure public charge points would be busier but 90+% of EV owners charge at home 95% of the time. Others charge at work. The number of sites are growing to more or less match demand. A lot of supply of chargers are commercial companies with no grants so they roll out to match demand. Incentives for more super hubs are needed, but we are probably in a better place mid trip charging than say 2 years ago. I was at ionity Athlone recently on a winter Sunday afternoon. As I left all ionity in use, and only one Chademo on site, but Athlone has a good few options, not ideal but not bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭creedp


    That would probably be ok where every household had a 2 car driveway with capacity to charge 2 cars simultaneously. Obviously doesn't apply to all households but many households have 2 or more cars. Currently most people consider it a big no no to own an EV without ready access to a gome charger. Not possible for many households especially multiple car households. I should now I have2 EVs with one charger



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Do you have issues with only one charger? I only charge once or very occasionally twice a week (after a weekend away etc..) so don't think it would be an issue for me when the second much less used car moves to EV.

    Might get a longer charging cable on the next charger though 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,289 ✭✭✭creedp


    It does involve a bit of musical charger at times when both EVs need more range than can be provided by a granny charger within the 8 to 9 hour cheap night rate. My L30 needs to be charged to 100% every night as it only has about 60km range in the cold weather. It takes over 9 hours to charge it on the granny charger as the charge rates tapers off significantly once itheads towards 90% soc.

    Of course my other half takes no responsibility for these shenanigans. I just get the clear directive to make sure her car has enough range for the next day.

    It's not a deal breaker for me as one car can often be topped up during the day if necessary or in worst case scenario I can use the diesel which doesn't get much use these days as its only really needed when all 6 of us are travelling or when I get a phonecall at night to collect a few revellers



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    The issue isn't with EV charging at night, or home batteries charging at night or Heat Pumps running at night….it's all of the above together, sure a 8/12 standard house connection won't do that with narrowing "cheap rate" windows being forced on us by suppliers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    THIS.........

    Knowing that WLTP isn't accurate in real life creates uncertainty regardless of whether you find out via pre purchase research.

    Or worse - when doing journeys in an EV bought on basis of its WLTP.

    The wider discussion needs to be how to ensure good reliable range information to the customer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    This is well worth a read.

    They were able to replicate a real autobahn route and as I understand it - the temperature by doing the test in a climate chamber.

    Result - a much more realistic result in a lab environment.

    Quite important.

    It remains to be seen if the ADAC work here helps create a better future WLTP test.

    But this sort of test is important for accurate consumer information.

    https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/elektromobilitaet/elektroauto/e-auto-reichweiten-test-im-winter/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes I think a realistic range label should be made for EVs. Even make it optional or whatever.

    Back in the day I was easily able to beat the manufacturers ratings in diesel VWs etc, even my w210 v6 I can get several MPG over the OEM rating without trying too hard. Nowadays that's impossible.

    I'd prefer a realistic 400km range, rather than a labeled 700km that was 450-650 in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    OK, so my dad (70) wants a 2nd bite at an EV after not really getting on with the tech in his etron, touchscreen for climate controls being his biggest complaint by far

    He is not going to interact with the infotainment too much, a single radio station RTE radio 1 will do him, but he does want a large-ish SUV for comfort getting in and out and something decently sized on the road

    He also wants to buy new or very nealry new, a 241 would probably do him if he got a good deal

    I will be slow enough to pick one for him this time until he is really sure he will get on with it. I will bring him to NEVO in Johnstown on 22 march to see a few but just wondering what to hone in on

    So, what out there in the 40 to 50k price range would have more physical knobs and buttons than touchscreen for lets say climate and radio volume? I see Kia EV3 does have them, I fear it will look too small to him but it would actually be perfect for him if he will drive something smaller, price will obviously be agreeable on one of these too.

    He actually loves the look of the Ford explorer, but its all touchscreen. So lets say Ford explorer looks with physical buttons would be his dream car! And one with easy to turn off beeps and bongs for safety systems too, we all turn these off dont we?

    Premium German brands ruled out, Tesla ruled out too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Skoda Enyaq? Radio volume on the steering wheel and climate and some other features on buttons. Although I think they're just shortcuts and the actual selection gets done on the screen. But worth a look I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I think the ability of an ICE car to be more efficient on long journeys vs short journeys.

    Really helps close the gap between real world and lab testing.

    EVs being more efficient at the lower speed stuff - means you get a good lab test.

    I wonder if the official testing for EVs needs the old 75 mph constant test from years ago.

    With Japanese stuff in this house - we used to find that real world on our usage patterns.

    Was somewhere between the old urban test and the constant 75 mph result.

    Also with the N14 Nissan Sunny diesel you could tell the difference in mpg if even one decent 50 miles one way journey was done on a particular tank.

    42 to 45 mpg on the usual local journey patterns.

    Do something like like North Cork to Portlaoise (pre M7) and the thing would jump to 50 mpg plus at the click of a finger.

    Definitely could do with an official test thats hard on an EVs efficiency though



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Also Renault Megane E-Tech. Definitely has all the buttons for climate etc. Inside the price range too, even at the top spec.

    Megane-E-Tech-Electric-21.jpg


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