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Oscars 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,217 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Once more the clue is in the statement - SOME people didn't like it. You'll always find critics for popular art. Many in the trans community loved it. Many hated it. To extrapolate the few negative critics as speaking for an entire community is insulting to those within the community who have their own individual opinions. A simple comparison would be you speaking on behalf of all Irish people and state that we as a community dislike the movie simply you and some others may not like it. It's patronising to people, and frankly a tad foolish.

    In terms of Best International Film the movie in that category with most general nominations ALWAYS wins it. Always. All Quiet on the Western Front, Parasite, Roma, The Zone of Interest, etc. But for Gascón's comments the same would have happened this time. Overwhelming favourite with bookies until their disclosure and it'll be the same in terms of weight of nominations in 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Again, you are stating your opinion as fact. I disagree.

    And you are being pedantic as I said. Obviously not ALL members of the LGBT community disliked the film. But there was widespread and vocal pushback on it.

    You could find one person in the community that isn't for the use of preferred pronouns. By your logic then it wouldn't be accurate to say that the LGBT community are respectful of peoples pronouns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,217 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    In terms of Best International Film name a winner in that category that lacked the most general nominations.

    There's criticism of every last awards-nominated movie. Anora, The Brutalist, Substance and others got plenty of it this year. A few critics do not a community make. Best not to use your post to speak for entire communities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    I think Dune 2 should have won Best film. Is ‘Everything everywhere all at once’ regarded as a sci fi film?? I thought it was absolute rubbish. Does anyone think it is a better film than Dune 2??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,217 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Maybe they're awaiting thr third part before handing out gongs as with Lord of the Rings? The first two Dunes were pretty spectacular and hopefully the awards come in March 2027, looks like being released in 18 months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,359 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    I hate this line of thought. There picture should really be judged on a single merit as opposed to what is has given over a series or trilogy. Dune and Dune 2 would have been worthy winners.

    It really shows a lack of credibility for the awards. It would be another thing you could approach with cynicism. Like the above discussion I'd be fairly sure Emelia Perez was due to do gangbusters at the awards for a plethora of reasons but with the controversies it was a a step too far for the Academy to make this their film they heralded for the year.

    It more and more has become a real love in for 2 to 3 movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    I only watched Anora there on Saturday just before the Oscars but found its central performance really powerful. Bounced between uproariously funny to quietly devastating, with characters saying a ton by a simple look between them.

    First 40 minutes were pretty rough to sit through tho, despite being pretty vital to the structure of the story. Anyway after Florida Project just getting a single nomination I'm happy to see a really big night of wins for Sean Baker.

    Also wrt its ending it really does complete the film, layers of ambiguity that keep it lodged in your brain after watching, ensuring that IMO it will be one of those films which ages really well as a BP Win. Not easy to forget



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Romario11


    I watched the last 20 minutes of it today actually as it is true you should watch all of something before being too critical. It did become a bit more interesting with the russians arriving, but ultimately I really didnt like the protagonist and didnt want to hear her talk anymore, the language was unpleasant even by today's standards.
    Thematically in movies about sex workers theres usually something likeable or redeeming there, some way to emotionally connect. This girl was a foul mouthed skank, and the inevitable conclusion of the drama at the end, whatever about the very last seen was entirely predictable for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,581 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    That's a lot of the point of Sean Baker's approach to filmmaking… was the same in Tangerine and Florida Project. Often we see these sorts of characters sanitised with this 'hooker with a heart of gold' stuff, Pretty Woman style. Baker's films are more honest, they show more flawed and raw characters, and also the circumstances and environments that explain these behaviours and emotional defence mechanisms — all within a compelling narrative. Tbh I love this approach, and it's exactly what makes that final moment of genuine vulnerability all the more earned and impactful.

    I can see how some audiences might prefer to have a more straightforwardly narrative and character presentation, but for me at least it's a feature rather than a bug and is what makes his version of otherwise well-trodden stories a bit different and more interesting than we normally see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    I'm also not really seeing where she needs to be 'redeemed' anyway, Ani has flaws but I'm not coming away from the film feeling like she has massively wronged anyone and has to bring the audience back on her side in any way.

    edit and 'skank' just feels a super loaded term here, not fond of it

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Romario11


    I get that but at the same time I expect something more then expose of a real hookers reality in a totally unlikeable way as best film of the year.
    Say compare this style of presenting harsh reality vs Jimmy Mcgoverns work. He gets you into the position of the characters. You feel them and their troubles even if they are a million miles away from your own reality. This woman was just a horrible skank as I said who was tough to sit through. And the payoff of watching her get on a guy at the end and then cry at her grim reality is nowhere near enough of an emotional payoff to give this such an award. I need more then that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep, I'm sure another director might have taken the script and sugar coated it with a happy ending. Instead this ended up feeling deeply uncomfortable and unpleasant. For the record I do view her as deeply sympathetic as a character by the end.

    I'd also say the very fact that you can generate so much in terms of discussion around a movie and what it's saying is a pretty great sign.

    Also as a sidenote, during the first thirty minutes or so, I wasn't sure if it was for me at all but then it felt like a movie that was constantly evolving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    Nosferatu should have been in the list for best film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,581 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    honestly this just feels like a difference in tastes, and experience-on-the-day… it feels like you’re having a far more negative experience towards her character than most. Like, the movie is far from ‘expose of a real hookers reality’ — sure It’s borderline screwball comedy for significant portions!

    I found her raw and unapologetic and emotionally guarded, but never even remotely approaching ‘horrible skank’ as you describe her.

    (You also interpreted the ending verrrry differently to me)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,217 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I fully agree. We can look back at how Godfather I and II fared at the awards, each hugely successful based entirely on merit, though at the time of the first there was no confirmation there'd be a second. LOTR and Dune announced their trilogies in advance so the Academy decided to wait. Hugely unfair as the third Dune might be a mess and the series ends up with sod all. I doubt it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Romario11


    @~Rebel~ Could well be a matter of taste.
    But has there ever been a more foul mouthed female in a film? I cant think of another female that spoke with every second or third word as mother f’er other then Dexters sister on tv. And its not that im some prude who doesnt like bad language, but jeez absolutely relentless was her screaming and cursing. I couldnt see the slight humor in her as a reason to endure this horrible character. And I really didnt care what would happen to her which is why I switched it off prematurely.

    As a small independent film with an interesting angle and artistic license I can give this film a 6/7 out of 10. Well directed for what it was.

    But as the best film of the year Ill belligerently stand by my assessment that this is a paperweight of a film and shouldn’t be even in the vicinity of the years best film in a healthy industry. We are down to the bare bones now in popular culture film for this to be the best of the best. 20 years ago this would have been a decent indie flick for someone who like yourself who connected to it better then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Romario11


    I dont think she needs to be redeemed but there is nothing redeeming about her. She’s vulgar in extreme. Would you like to be around a girl who screamed and cursed non stop at everything and was generally fairly psychotic. The reality of this would be terrible.

    And ask for the term skank, there was a lot worse in the film then that. There is also the question of damning words that make you uncomfortable in artistic format which is the ultimate irony is it not? The art itself can do or say whatever it wants but the commentary cant? Dangerous territory.

    The reality is she was a nasty girl without any self respect, even in the court room she spoke in the lowest form possible. So for me if that was a person that I knew in real life likely that would be my opinion of her. I dont hold out any fantasy of this type of person being salt of the earth. Cynical and not very nice yes, one might even say I’m an *sshole but I believe synopsis is closer to reality certainly then any positive assessment of the character.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    But the thing is a lot of people have connected with it, the commentary is more than ever relevant to our times. And a character swearing be they male or female is not gonna upset audiences too much. I think it's more just not for you than a sign of an unhealthy film industry. The fact it only cost 6 million to make and got a great reception globally is actually a pretty reflection, it got recognized when it might not have been a few years ago. Particularly when 60 million is generally considered cheap at this stage...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Romario11


    All those points are fair. But do you think this film is that good really, as opposed to say just a decent enjoyable film? You dont think that this being voted by the peers as the best thing made this year is not a drop in the standards or do you think it stands up to what was winning 20,30,40 years ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep, I've already said it was superb. Not every year is necessarily a great win(the likes of Green Book, Argo, Crash and Chicago have won it, in the last 20 years) but I'd actually say that this is a great and deserved win. I've watched plenty of the Oscar films this year and Anora was absolutely a stand out for me in terms of Hollywood cinema.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 Romario11


    Its hard to argue with it being the best hollywood film this year since the rest is nothing to shout about. Although have not seen Emilia Perez.
    But otherwise I think its a very generous assessment from you there! Maybe I’m missing something…but I cant see any greatness in it to make it so worthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,578 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Lots of people judging Anora, when they haven't see it, either have I , they call it a porno winning best film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    Regarding the Best Cinematography award, I see The Brutalist won it. I was a little surprised that Nosferatu didn't win it, because I've seen both films and thought that Nosferatu was amazing in terms of cinematography. Admittedly, I don't know a lot about the art of cinematography, but I just thought that Nosferatu looked amazing and conjured up a really immersive and atmospheric experience.

    Do you people agree?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    To the second paragraph, I don't think there's an irony here at all. In one, the art is acknowledging that prejudices exist and some people have words in their vocabulary that the rest of us should not. Now there is an argument to be had about whether we really need these words to qualify a film's dialogue as being gritty and real, one I could go either way on though it's not really my place to make this argument tbh. But it's a hell of a leap to go and ask why we can't use pejoratives in explaining what works/doesn't work for us in the film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭fatbhoy


    I really liked Anora and gave it a personal 8/10 rating on IMDB. I didn't find it problematic morally at all. However, if this is the Best Picture of 2025, I'm not impressed with this Best Picture award and/or the current state/quality of films on offer in 2025. In the back of my mind I've got Elon Musk's X post about DEI influencing the Oscars so perhaps that has something to do with it, or perhaps not. But while I think Anora is a very good film, and very enjoyable, I don't think it was that great and during one or two points in it I was thinking "WTF is going on here, this isn't good" (there were a couple of absurd bits).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    If someone hasn't seen Anora, their opinion of the film should be outright dismissed, because they can't possibly have an informed opinion on it.

    And, frankly, dismissing it as porn is absolutely laughable. The idea that any film that is frank about sex and has some nudity is 'porn' is prudish and narrow-minded. Of course, plenty of films deserve criticism for their poorly considered approach to sexual frankness (the recent Emmanuelle remake has been crucified as hoaky and ill-judged). But Anora is IMO undeserving of such criticism. Only somewhat reasonable criticism I've seen in that regard is around a lack of on-set intimacy coordinator, but I have seen no suggestion the cast felt uncomfortable or that Baker handled that stuff poorly. Though I have seen more concerning - albeit anonymous - reports about his attempts to push back against some crews' union requirements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The porn claim also doesn't really stand up when you consider plenty of critically acclaimed European movies do have unsimulated sex. It doesn't make them pornographic though, porn only really applies if something is devoid of artistic merit etc. I also wouldn't say Anora had particularly shocking levels of sex or anything .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Yeah it's got plenty of sex but someone has lived a very cloistered cinematic life if they consider it at all shocking or graphic in that sense. Hell, it only has a 16s rating in Ireland!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,233 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    This is something I have been thinking about lately: it seems to be very rare for a film to get an 18 cert in Ireland this last few years. Is there a list online where you can see the ratings of Irish films and maybe compare them to other countries?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    IFCO publishes all their classifcations publicly: https://ifco.ie/en/IFCO/Pages/home

    They have lists of upcoming and current releases, so the likes of the aforementioned Emmanuelle and the new Danny Dyer film Marching Powder have 18 certs for example.

    For others you'd have to go back and search individual titles AFAIK, but their database is pretty robust over the last decade or so at least. Some films will not have got a rating however if they were 'club' releases (i.e. only showing in arthouse cinemas or film clubs).

    BBFC is the most like-to-like comparison in the UK - in the last few years quite a few films would be rated lower here than the UK (e.g. Kneecap which was 16 here and 18 in the UK) but historically it would've been the other way around. Though worth noting the UK doesn't have a '16' equivalent.



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