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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well I was an emigrant to the US in the 80/90s but once things picked up in Ireland the flow went in reverse.

    I think it's still a good destination if you've aspiration to be a MMA fighter or have a gig as a Tate type influencer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    I'm sure the German woman never thought she would be in detention for a month just for visiting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You've claimed Ireland is 3rd world next to the US. You don't seem to be willing to illustrate why this is. You are equating the US as great but only taking into account scenarios where it's affluent. This is ignoring things like large scale poverty, spree shootings, lack of access to health care and just large scale inequalities that are encouraged there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭rdser


    So is Europe's answer to the Ukraine war, to just keep giving zelensky more money and arms…? How long is that going to go on for and where is the end? Does this just go on until they stop Putin? Is that the plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Are mods excempt from "uncivil posting"?

    Mod Edit: Warned for backseat modding



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Imagine the government here appointing say Michael O leary to go through the books and given free reign to cut anything he doesn't like while sacking loads of civil servants who have no comeback?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,034 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I could move back to the US if I wished to, I have decided against doing that and I don't expect to change my mind.

    The reasons Irish people went to the US are fast disappearing. The primary reason for the vast majority of people was "opportunity". That no longer exists as it once did. It's much more known as being exploitative right now than presenting opportunity. Look at how so many industries just flippantly cut swathes of people at the whim of a CEO. In industries where this is not as often done, such as the service industry, it is a very challenging environment with many people who work service jobs having to have more than one to have a basic standard of living.

    Work to rule laws are overwhelmingly in the favour of the employer and if you lose your job for any reason, reasonable access to healthcare for you and your family is something that becomes a problem very quickly.

    You can't advocate loudly and at length about the advantages of a Trump mindset leading the US and simultaenously think he is doing what people want him to do and that it will still be seen as an attractive destination to people. Big steps backwards in terms of equal rights, access to healthcare for women, increased costs, a much more vitriolic environment? What's so appealing again?

    I live in a European country now, it is a vastly more pleasant society in which to live. Conservatives can't keep telling people they are going to change things, change those things and then tell people that things haven't changed. It can't happen. This is what you wanted, accept it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Also add in rewarding himself directly & indirectly also.

    Some would still cheer him on with gusto it, I have absolutely no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,838 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    And 2 days ago

    U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Saturday he had signed a declaration to expedite delivery of approximately $4 billion in military assistance to Israel.The Trump administration, which took office on January 20, has approved nearly $12 billion in major foreign military sales to Israel, Rubio said in a statement, adding that it "will continue to use all available tools to fulfill America’s long-standing commitment to Israel’s security, including means to counter security threats."

    Trump first, Israel first and Russia first. Consistent theme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Depends what part of the US you go to. A lot of towns there have levels of poverty that we don't see in Ireland. Huge inequalities of wealth and as for the cost of health insurance and hospital bills there is no comparison.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,003 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Why are Europe not looking to do a deal with Ukraine on these rare earth metals that Trump is after? Surely it would be in Europe's interest to do a deal on this and then have Trump over a barrel if he wants to do a deal on it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    After initial openmindedness, I'm starting to really despise this administration.

    He is betraying democratic Ukraine to a Russian dictator by cutting off arms. He seems to prefer dictators to fellow democracies. Trump knows perfectly well that elections are often postponed during wars as in Ukraine. And he knows perfectly well that if Zelensky resigned as Lindsey Graham suggested, the inability to hold elections with bombs raining down would lead to accusations that the successor is an unelected leader. By taking these positions they serve Russian propaganda, where knowingly or unknowingly.

    I have a family member married to a Republican. I avoid talking about Trump when they are here, as I don't want a row. We know how thin skinned Trump and his more fanatical followers can be when faced with criticism. We saw that last week when Zelensky was bullied in the Oval office meeting after responding to Vance on Russia breaking previous agreements. MTGs boyfriend was the journalist who criticised him for not wearing a suit. It seemed like a setup to me.

    The decision by Pete Hegseth to stand down US Cyber defence against Russia is insane. It will only add to suspicions among American allies about collusion. They may be more cautious about sharing intelligence especially with Tulsi Gabbard as DNI.

    The tariff policy will help divide the US from its traditional allies. I thought it was pathetic that Stephen Feinburg, the CEO of Cerberbus and a Trump nominee in the State Department, wouldn't even say when asked in his nomination hearing that Russia had invaded Ukraine. Trump peace envoy Steve Witkoff said the war "was provoked, not necessarily by Russia". Pathetic and weak.

    The abolition of PEPFAR which was established by Bush to eradicate HIV/AIDS in Africa, is down right cruel. I see the hand of the Religious Right in this, as they we're also hostile to HIV/AIDS funding in the 1980s. Larry Speakes, Reagans press secretary, typified this invading attitude and it seems to have returned.

    His rushing of arms to Israel, including D9 bombs that Biden had withheld because they we're being used to destroy homes in Gaza is appalling. He claimed he would end the war in Gaza, bit he appears to be encouraging Netanyahu to resume it. Meanwhile, 40,000 Palestinians have been displaced in a few weeks in Jenin refugee camp. American taxpayers finance this oppression, and arm it.

    I think the EU and China may be drawn closer together by Trumps hostility to both. It was interesting to see the UNGA vote where the US was voting with Russia, North Korea and Iran on Ukraine, while China abstainned. I'm not entirely comfortable with this as China has an appalling human rights record in Xinjiang, Tibet etc. On the other hand, China is not invading anyone. While China agrees with Russia on upending he rules based global order, I don't think they favour tearing up the rule book and some crusade against the West, because that's most of Chinas trade.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    There are many things that can be done, but we need to be aware of the consequences of those actions. Nearly everything I can think of will have severe reactions from Trump, supporting Putin.

    Many countries including Russia and the US agreed to protect Ukraine in exchange for nuclear weapons. Give Ukraine back nukes as the other countries have not lived up to their end of the deal.

    Allow weapons to be used for offensive purposes and allow Ukraine to attack inside Russia , anywhere, not just military locations attacking them. I am thinking bridges, rail lines, infrastructure, not stooping to the humanitarian attacks of others.

    Claim all the assets being held and use it to provide aid to Ukraine.

    If America was stepping back and becoming isolationist, or somewhat neutral different options would be available. Now that trump is on the side of Russia, the fear of them joining on Russia's side has to be considered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,730 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    About the German woman in jail, if she had tried to take the tools of her trade into any country on a visitor visa she would have been refused entry, but she would not have been allowed in in order to throw her in jail. Where is the German embassy in this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    That's not what Trump is trying to do at all. He wants Ukraine to capitulate to Putin and in return he believes Putin will reward him by strategically aligning Russia with the USA instead if China.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Yvonne007 is on their holidays for a bit, no need to quote them going forward, thanks

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Welcome newcomer or should I say dobro pozhalovat'!

    Have you a better plan to stop Putin? I don't think asking nicely, even with a pretty please is likely to be much good.

    Between Ukraine's own production and western Europe and the Baltic states, Ukraine still have approx. 75% of their capacity. With increased support from western Europe and the Baltic states, USA's shortfall can be mitigated.

    The best time to stop Russia was years ago, the next best is now. Ukraine falling to Russia would be a disaster for western Europe and the Baltic states. Do you want to stand by and watch another Bucha happen, and another, and another,...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭poop emoji


    It go on until

    • the last Russian invader is killed by an automated drone
    • Or Russian economy collapses
    • Or Putin dies and Russia descends into civil war
    • Or Russians get sick of their sons/husbands/brothers dying for 2x2m plots of mud and admit that starting wars is stupid

    Russia and Russians started this war on stupid pretences, they can end it just as quick by turning around

    Some of the above coincidentally have occurred in not too distance Russian history



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭rdser


    I know 3 people who have moved to the US since Xmas...and another couple leaving in the next few weeks.

    Australia / New Zealand is just too far for some. The US is still attractive to many, just maybe not at 80s /90s levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I think the rationale behind a tarif war is that one side is "hoped"to win over the other.

    In this case Trump thinks the "other side"(rest of the world) will cave in because the States are Trump's chosen people.

    In the unlikely and unwelcome event that the States do get the better of the rest of the world and they accede to enough of Trump 's demands so that he can say he was "right", then so be it.

    Millions of people will have suffered on his account but so be it.

    Alternatively America will not win and Americans will share the pain.

    In that case I hope they reward Trump appropriately (and begin the slow road to coming to their collective senses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,240 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What has actually happened?

    Are you for real?

    He's started a global trade crisis, he's destroyed the international order that underpins transatlantic trade amongst allies and long standing trading partners

    He's emboldened the biggest threat to European security by aligning himself with Russia and in opposition to the EU and NATO, not to mention the appalling intervention he has made in Gaza.

    Domestically, he is crippling the medias ability to report on him, and he's wrenching control over the infrastructure of the state to replace anyone who might oppose him in the Military, judiciary, law enforcement and civil service.....

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,522 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it’s the 21st century we’re in, not the 19th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Give Ukraine back nukes as the other countries have not lived up to their end of the deal.

    You can't just hand a country nukes, it doesn't work that way.

    Even Britain's "independent" nuclear arsenal doesn't work without American support.

    France is more independent but they won't be handing nukes over to any non EU ally any time soon.

    That said Ukraine would be more than capable in the short term to develop a WMD.

    There is a very real danger now they may have no other choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,039 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Ukraine falls to Russia, what'll happen is that western countries will close their borders to any more refugees, put their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and let whatever happens to the Ukrainian people happen. Maybe some people will place a Ukrainian flag overlay on their Facebook profile photo.

    For a lot of people, it's not a problem until it comes after them, at which point it's probably too late. We in Ireland should remember that our independence exists only at major powers' pleasure and if a geopolitical shift happened, we'd be completely fked, completely vulnerable, conquered within hours, and there's no-one who'd come to help us and there's nothing we could do about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    You can't just tear up international agreements wit doesn't work that way. Yet many have essentially been torn up.

    I know nukes are different but things have changed and are changing rapidly. If some agreements aren't honoured then why should others?

    If the us enters on the side of Russia, all bets are off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭eire4


    IMHO I think that ship even has sailed at this point. The US flat out cannot be trusted and or relied on period IMHO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    The decision by Pete Hegseth to stand down US Cyber defence against Russia is insane. It will only add to suspicions among American allies about collusion. They may be more cautious about sharing intelligence especially with Tulsi Gabbard as DNI.

    Any allies would be mad to share intelligence with America now, it would go straight to Moscow with someone like Gabbard as DNI and Trump still holding top secret documents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,913 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah they do .

    There are many very intelligent people of all politics horrified by this and paddling furiously in the background talking to elected representatives trying to get some of these actions rowed back.

    The problem is how well the MAGA group and Trump have it sewn up .

    I would hope that there will be some pushback once they get their jaws off the floor .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭poop emoji


    Heh UK, Canada etc should start deliberately feeding in false information precisely because it will endup in Kremlin



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,476 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'm not arguing their right to self protection. Like you pointed out they have earned it.

    But the fact remains there no one is able or willing to hand them nukes for a 1000 different reasons.



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