Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

I dont think he wants to get out of Nato.

He just wants European countries to increase their defence budgets.

The irony here is that the US wanted Europe in the back seat militarily so they could dominate the MIC sector over the years but the irony in playing games with European Defence is that this could backfire on the US in the future. The biggest threat to the US in economic terms is the EU not because of their military but their massive soft power in terms of legal agreements and standards. If we all on this side adopted a more active military presence across the board even defensively in order to keep Vatnik Russia contained in the rotting prison they call a state, it would mean the US could not unilaterally challenge other nations without risk of more serious repercussions.

This doesn't even get into the fact that the Republicult and Trump have effectively shown up the current lot in the US as an unreliable, idiot dominated government manipulated by a South African Snowflake and Cringelord and an Orange Felon that you cannot do reliable business with as they're prone to breaking agreements they sign. They're literally weakening US influence which could either disappear altogether in the future unless they get thrown out and the Democrats do serious reforms to prevent degenerates like Trump from ever getting power again.

This is why the EU could stand to massively gain in the longer run expecially if we somehow managed to get rid of that Vatnik Toad Orban and Fico were to lose power in Slovakia in the next few months, get them out of the way and the EU would be in full alignment to act to not only implement serious anti-vatnik policies to counter the shít peddlers that propagate their bullshit online but potentially implement pan European policies to limit US businesses in certain areas where they're clearly pushing toxic agendas. They messed up their own country but we don't need to be dragged down with them as well.

Trump shot a 62 round today, no bogies, 2 hole in ones, , has to be true, it was posted on Truth.

OBVIOUSLY I'm taking the piss about Donny Ruskie

The radiation from modern nuclear bombs is far less than those emitted by the first atomic bombs.

For 9 holes perhaps he shot 62.

The power went up but the fallout went down. That's an indisputable fact.

What's all the talk about 'inviting' him to the Ryder Cup? Couldn't he just go if he wanted? There's people, golfish people, arguing amongst themselves whether or not he should be invited!

If he is invited, to a golf tournament; how does that work? FFS, if this is all our lot can offer it's not gonna be a fun meeting

Why do you continually try to take what I say out of context ?

The fact that you and others seem to have only this one individual to fall back on to justify the invasion says a lot. 

There are plenty of others Jeffrey Sachs being the most prominent.

You put the blame on Ukraine for wanting eventual NATO membership and the reason for it is that Russia acted as a constant threat.

Part of the blame, its multifaceted, the inflammatory actions against the Russian language, and aggression against Russia were foolhardy. Do not poke the bear.

To say this is not being a Putin or Russian bot or spreading propaganda, its a credible avenue of thought.

FYI, posters on the invasion thread have been Mearsheimer for years and they've been using it to excuse genocide at every turn. 

I never excused genocide or alluded to doing so.

War is terrible and to be avoided at all costs. This war should never have started, its a tragedy it did.

Im not going to say anymore about it, I dont want to drag the thread off topic.

If your level involves thinking that nations have 'rights', Mearsheimer will go over your head.

wrong thread

NATO can help him by offering to buy up to 50% of the US arsenal [weapons, munitions and vehicles] forward-based in Europe, spinning it to him as a means of Europe increasing its defence spending and capability while reducing his Govts federal defence budget costs, having the German Govt make the offer without him letting his own people inquire about what was to happen the stockpile.

Where the Europeans get the funds to buy the materiel would be their business and not something he should know [plausible deniability] as that was a European matter not involving the US dollar. Like the US, the Europeans have access to a certain amount of finance and property convertible to finance which would not cause a drawdown on EU Govt funding. One of the combatant countries would love to get a large slush fund available to it for repayment of loans to foreign Govts. Trump could get three things: reduced costs to the Federal budget, a return of "loans" made to an invaded country and to stay in NATO [to keep his backbenchers & military happy].

Edit: It might even have a side effect on the loyalty Putin has from within his Govt colleagues and friends group.

It would best for him to have plausible deniability on what happened the munitions after the deal was concluded. We know he understands the meaning of "did I do that?". He can tell his people to mind their jobs and not question what he was doing as president.

With less available for his military in Europe, he can even shift them back home, something he would be delighted to brag about to the folk at home, "I'm bringing the troops home". He'd have people for border duty which would benefit local business and trade, and local politicians down south.

poland is paying for starlink for a while now

Putin seems to be saying something along the lines of 'USA is now onside, we can go ahead and sort things out'.

Is that really the best you can offer?

So is it going over the head of all the analysts that view his perspective as nonsense and a pretty selective interpretation of global politics? 

How many of them are paid propagandists or mouthpieces for the good old US ?

Next you will be telling me that the US are the good guys, almost everywhere they have gone on the planet they have left an unholy mess with their interference and warmongering.

Putin never had a right to invade Ukraine

No he didnt, I never said he did.

I outlined why the West and Ukraine itself contributed to him making the decision to invade.

Putin also doesn't have a right to commit genocide

Again I never said he did, why are you blatantly twisting what I am saying ?

Instead we get JFK style conspiracy theories 

Ive heard that before, conspiracy theories, that Biden wouldnt run again, that Biden was in cognitive decline, that Trump wouldnt go to jail, etc etc.

Or that the US blew up Nordstream or Covid originated in a lab in China. That Saddam didnt have Weapons of Mass destruction.

Another one of those wild conspiracy theories is it ?