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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I find it very difficult to believe that Israel does more bad stuff than all the rest of the world combined twice over.

    So I would plumb for the latter.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Are there any other regimes in the world outside of Israel and Russia trying to violently annex land?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As I said, they currently have their Prime Minister and ex defence Minister wanted for war crimes and the State itself is before the ICJ for Genocide. And the ICJ rules last summer that Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem - they've been told to leave immediately and pay reparations.

    I can't think of any other country that even comes close to that level criminality. So yes, Israel looks like its top of the league in doing bad stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,074 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Well Israel has murdered more children in 15 months than were killed in all other wars combined in the last 4 years. That's quite a lot of bad stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Well Russia is currently waging an unprovoked, genocidal, all out war on one of its neighbours, Iran funds and directs terrorists all over the world, China is currently undertaking three genocides (Tibetans, Uighurs and Inner Mongolians) and occupying the seas of its neighbours in the South China Sea, North Korea and Cuba are glorified prisons, modern slavery is a huge problem …

    But it's nice to know that all of the worlds tyrants, slavers and their allies in the Western Left can focus on the important things - bashing the world's only Jewish state (and one of the worlds smallest states).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    More are about to die at the hands of Israel reneging on the ceasefire deal.

    Israel has refused to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza because Hamas will not agree to an extension of the ceasefire that Israel already agreed to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,074 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I have a bad feeling about this. I'm thinking that its part of a plan hatched between Trump and Netanyahu to rid Gaza of Gazans. There could well be a Trump Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Who is the "Western left"?

    And anyone who believes the world must turn a blind eye to Genocide and War Crimes simply because Israel is "one of the world's smallest States" is deluded.

    The world watches and justice will be served on all tyrants and criminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Unfortunately, it's rare that it is through the court systems. This has been going on for generations with Israel as the main perpetrator and land grabber. Nothing ever done about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Blatant child murder by the IDF



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    They've been doing "bad stuff" since 1967 and getting away with it due to the US veto. Of course they're going to attract a lot of attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    More than the rest of the world combined, twice over?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The vast majority of the rest get some form of action against them. Israel has been in violation of the UN since 1967 and faces no sanctions whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Perhaps the rest of the world has learned how to behave and how to comply with International Law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    All we need now is a major face turn from China and the old world order will be vaporized. Are they really the worst of 2 evils now? If we can ignore a KGB puppet being the most powerful man in the world right now we can also turn a blind eye to the flaws of his arch nemesis and create a massive trade deal or 2. Trump loves to pretend he's good at making deals so make a deal at EU level with China that makes his eyes water 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,776 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Plus all those resolutions are passed by a majority of countries in the UN. So at a minimum close to 100 countries voted in favor on each of those resolutions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,776 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    can you name 10 of those resolutions that are anti semetic? Because I'm assuming that's what you're implying. All those countries voted against israel unjustly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    The double standards at play in that post....

    Well Russia is currently waging an unprovoked, genocidal, all out war on one of its neighbours...

    Though I know there was provocation and a military response expected against Hamas, it has been so ridiculously unbalanced against civilians - are Israel not similarly engaging in genocidal "all out war" on one of their neighbors? But you seem fine with this one?

    I would argue this is even more clear cut that the Russia situation given Palestine doesn't even have an army, and that Israel's politicians are even more overt than the Russians in declaring their wish to remove Palestinians from their land.

    Also, what do you mean by Western Left?? The "Western Right" i.e. the United States, are supporting both Russia and Israel in their violent conquests of their neighbors territories. If one disagrees with this, are they left? If so, where does that leave you in your binary world, are you a commie now?

    North Korea and Cuba are glorified prisons, modern slavery is a huge problem …

    How can you argue this, and consistently argue against posters who labelled Palestine being an open air prison? I can't speak for North Korea (who can), but I've been to Cuba a couple of times and they have more rights and suffer far less than the Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Netanyahu - as widely predicted- trying to scupper the agreement

    "The testing second stage of Gaza's ceasefire was always in doubt; now it seems to be dead at the moment it was meant to start.

    Concern is mounting that war will return to this ravaged territory, deepening the profound suffering of Palestinians and threatening the lives of the remaining hostages held by Hamas.

    Israel, backed by the United States, says there is a new deal now, after the agreement's first phase ended on Saturday. And it has halted all humanitarian aid to Gaza until Hamas accepts this new version too."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgz7p85mdgo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,458 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    More on the deliberate sinking of the peace process-

    "The government of Benjamin Netanyahu was reported to have made preparations to go beyond the suspension of food and fuel announced on Sunday, to implement a programme of steadily increased isolation of the coastal strip and its population of about 2.2 million, according to the national public radio station, Kan, which said the government was referring to the programme of measures as the “hell plan”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/03/israel-prepares-gaza-hell-plan-to-pile-pressure-on-hamas-reports



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Dear God - in your posted link an Israeli govt spokesperson actually said this:

    Mencer claimed that Hamas had “enough food to fuel an obesity epidemic”

    Words fail me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Just to understand correctly - are Hamas sticking to their side of the deal? If so, what justification is there for Israel to completely upend something that was agreed and heap more misery on innocent people?

    I know I got a response saying internal pressure within Israel made Netenyahu sign up to the ceasefire in the first place, but would that same pressure not prevent him from pulling a fast one, like he appears to be doing? Just don't know why they bothered with the ceasefire if the intention was to break it without cause, it would nearly look worse surely.

    It's crazy to think that a violent extremist terrorist group is coming out of these negotiations looking like the more honorable and reasonable party, Vs an elected western democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,903 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    what justification is there for Israel to completely upend something that was agreed and heap more misery on innocent people?

    because they can and the Israeli apologists will give them a free pass and assert that Hamas collapsed the ceasefire agreement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If Netanyahu does not go back to war, the right wing will collapse the coalition and that's the end of his career. That is what is driving this.

    The only reason Israelis can't currently dump him is elections aren't due for another 20 months.

    But Netanyahu was forced by external influencers and hostage families to carry out stage one. But now he's done a 180 and reneged. He'll probably do a few more in the future.

    But make no mistake, Netanyahu is utterly focused on the number 1 priority - himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Sorry - missed your question.

    Yes, Hamas have largely stuck to the deal, bar the mix up of one of the dead hostages which was corrected fairly quickly. Whilst presumably not written into the deal, the parading of hostages was disgusting. Though, as posted previously, and for balance, Israel have treated released Palestinians poorly also.

    It is important to note that I'm not aware of any reported Israeli deaths during the ceasefire, but there were something like 10 or 11 Palestinians killed by the IDF and more newborns have died of the cold for lack of adequate shelter ( 5 or 6 I think).

    Israeli are asking for an extension, which is not in the original deal. Hamas are refusing and wish to continue the original deal. Israel are therefore blaming Hamas for breaking the deal. Which appears not to be true at all.

    So Netanyahu is adding to the list of war crimes and genocide by starving the Palestinians.

    You really couldn't make this up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,323 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    unfortunately a lot of ‘driven folk’ who will believe anything coming from Hamas Minni.

    Seem to have swallowed the Hamas rhetoric lock stock and barrel.

    Israel are no angels but the naivety of some here is quite alarming ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Can you explain the rhetoric you refer to or provide sources?

    And in what way are some on here "naive"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    specific details on the status of the current ceasefire (which technically lapsed last Saturday):

    • Israel is willing to extend the cease-fire in Gaza for a few days due to pressure from the Trump administration and the mediator countries to make the most of the negotiations with Hamas, senior Israeli officials told Haaretz.
    • The officials added that Israel will only conduct these negotiations on the basis of the framework proposed by U.S. Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, which includes the release of half the hostages held by Hamas on the first day of the new agreement, with the rest to be released after a more comprehensive agreement to end the war is reached.
    • Senior Hamas official Osama Hamdan said in a recorded statement that "Netanyahu and his government bear the responsibility for disrupting the agreement, and the humanitarian consequences for the hostages because of it," referencing Hamas' threat to worsen the conditions under which Israeli hostages are kept due to the break-down in the negotiations. Hamdan added that "Israel is attempting to withdraw from a signed agreement …The only way to return hostages is an immediate start of negotiations to begin the second stage."
    • Hamas is unlikely to release more than a small number of hostages, or their remains, without assurances that the war will end, two Israeli officials told the New York Times, adding that this could force Israel to decide between resuming military operations to oust Hamas or securing the release of hostages still believed to be alive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Interesting. Can you tell me what is really happening so Brendan because it all doesn't make much sense to me.

    What does Hamas minni mean?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Very harsh (deserved) words against Netanyahu in a hostage funeral:

    Hundreds of Israelis took part in the funeral of Itzhak Elgarat, taken hostage by Hamas and whose body was returned to Israel last week. Elgarat's brother, Danny, a prominent figure in the hostage protests, said during the eulogy that the family did everything in its power to return him home alive.

    "We failed. We did not do enough. Netanyahu defeated us and you did not return from captivity. 

    The enemy who caused your death is not who kidnapped you, but rather who abandoned you…

    You are laid to rest in a grave dug by the prime minister."



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