Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

And to re-iterate:

It is not the official website of the government scheme. It's not an official government website at all.

It's the website of a private company operating a government scheme, which contains information contradicted by an official website of the European Union.

Its a simple question.

Which of these is a fact and which is a lie?

1. The Re-Turn website that states Ireland must achieve "recycling targets"

Or

2. The EU Directive that states Ireland must achieve "collection targets"

No.

These are collection targets. It even clarifies this in that same Article 9 you include but you conveniently cropped out paragraph 3:

Search the full directive for "Collection targets" 9 matches all leading to the COLLECTION targets you quote.

Search the full directive for "Recycling targets" 2 matches both of which lead here

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:1994:365:FULL

I would include the rest but the gist is "member states set the recycle targets to keep trade costs low"

Only took a few minutes to find. You left out paragraph 3 on purpose which clearly states the 77% and 90% are collection targets. If you can show me the recycling target % set by Ireland post them up but the target % you have posted are for collection.

Oh you're being frank? Well that changes everything 🤣.

You tried to leave out the paragraph that states these are collection targets and now you're dying on the hill of "for recycling" which means nothing without the recycling target % to back it up. "For recycling" doesnt magically change collection targets into recycling targets.

You telling me I dont understand English is laughable.

In the absence of concrete figures and implementation of once promised enhancements to the scheme what type of positive discussions do you suggest?

There's very little positive about this scheme for your average citizen but plenty positives for the producers and local government.

scammed

Victoria started their scheme in November 2023, and have experienced many problems. Tasmania does not even have a scheme.

https://www.tec.org.au/victoria_container_refund_scheme_report_card

Victoria’s Container Refund Scheme – Report Card

Victoria’s 10cent container refund scheme has been operating for 6 months and the first review of its operations has been released today.

"Our review acknowledges there are inevitably teething problems in the early stages, but we are very concerned about a systemic issue that has arisen which could harm consumer convenience to refund points and thus the success of the scheme.  This involves reliance on over-the-counter (OTC) return points, especially in the Northern Zone, operated by Visy.  They have a multitude of problems and consumers will be the losers,’’ said Jeff Angel, Executive Director of the Total Environment Centre, which undertook the review.

‘’The government and Scheme Operator may wish to focus on gross return point numbers in their media, but this disguises a serious structural problem they should urgently address,” Mr Angel said.   

OTCs experience many challenges due to:

• limited opening hours
• not accepting all types of containers (e.g. only accepting cans, not bottles)
• rejecting any containers at all on certain days / when at capacity
• refusal to deal with containers when working on other priorities (e.g. serving customers in service stations or bottleshops)
• limited signage 

Further for a number of OTC return points, that appear as active on the VicReturn locations website ( https://cdsvic.org.au/locations ), these:

• were not operating correctly
• did not exist
• showed an incorrect address on the location map
• were closed

If it doesn't have the logo then it's not part of the scheme. If it's not part of the scheme, there should be no deposit.

Ketchup bottles aren't included in the scheme. Come to think of it neither are shampoo bottles. Don't know why.

As far as I know each vendor has to register their product with DRS, if this is from a small vendor, they maybe didn't bother.

Flytipping

I always thought the word flytipping was funny. Especially when you consider cow tipping is a very different practice.

Quick now, get onto your County Council as they have been tasked with the policing of this!

He did not.

It is easy to recycle glass or aluminium and it is being done for a very long time. However, that is not a case with plastics. They are complicated and expensive to recycle so only a fraction of drink containers are actually recycled and even that can be done only few times. If we focus on plastic which is majority of what return collect then we still talk about collection and not recycling.