Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

Just watched the Fox News interview.

Republicans must know things are bad when Fox is giving a favourable interview.

Where are those weapons made that they are sending to Ukraine ? what does that mean for their economy ?

This is true but it's also true that the US is under no obligation to give him anything.

I think Zelensky still has hope that Europe will step up and come to the rescue. I think the chances of that are close to zero. Trump believes that since he is the only one in the world offering to save Ukraine that his negotiation position could not be stronger.

No matter who is right it will be Ukraine that will have to deal with the consequences.

Here is a recap of the history of the Ukraine situation, for those choosing to reject propaganda and continue seeking truth:

December 1994, Ukraine agrees to give up its nuclear arsenal in return for security guarantees from the US, UK, France, China and Russia.

February 2014, Russia invades and subsequently annexes Crimea, President Obama does next to nothing. War through weakness.

July 2019, Trump admin withholds $250 million in military aid to Ukraine to apply pressure to investigate alleged corruption by Hunter and Joe Biden.

February 2022, Russia invades a weakened Ukraine, world expects Zelenskyy to flee and Kyiv to fall within days. Ukrainians fight bravely for 3+ years, inflict hundreds of thousands of casualties on Russian army, weaken Putin politically.

U.S. has sent ~$70 billion in outdated military equipment to Ukraine since start of war, providing opportunity for U.S. military to modernize its weaponry. We’ve sent an additional $30+ billion in budget support, $75 billion in ancillary appropriations related to war.

~50,000 Ukrainians have died defending their homeland, protecting U.S. and Western interests in the process. Meanwhile, the U.S. President and V.P. are calling democratically-elected Zelenskyy a dictator and berating him in Oval Office in pursuit of a financial payoff.

The U.S. should be thanking Ukrainians, who have fought for our common interests with only modest financial support from a country with a ~$30 trillion GDP.

America can and will reclaim its backbone again soon, with better policy and messaging from common sense moderates.

A nice summary of the sanewashing going on around this admin. Nothing's changed.

https://www.readtpa.com/p/when-headlines-fail-trumps-empty

are you forgetting that there will be no US ‘boots on the ground’. So , will it be NK soldiers manning the US supplied equipment along with new - reluctant - recruits from Moscow , St, Petersburg and suchlike republics?

Dramatic post alert.

You think 50% of the US will have 20 years of MAGA. Spare the tabloid stuff!

Jesus. The mental gymnastics of some Trumpists trying to defend their tangerine lord and saviour are reaching Olympic levels of delusion. Some elements of humanity are just beyond redemption.

America can and will reclaim its backbone again soon, with better policy and messaging from common sense moderates.

Yes but very possible Ukraine will be completely and irreversibly swallowed by the Russian maw before that happens…

I think Zelensky still has hope that Europe will step up and come to the rescue. I think the chances of that are close to zero.

If you are right about this Zelensky will know the score better than anyone. I can't think he will be engaging in wishful thinking on this with so much at stake

Neither is a situation to be amused about.

...and they are not comparable situations either.

US pulling support for Israel won't change much in that region. Whereas US pulling support from Ukraine and Europe changes the balance of power across Europe and perhaps even globally. Additionally Trump is likely to slash defence spending that in theory keeps China in check. He's recreated the 1930s.

is it the same people complaining?

Germany has been stepping up for Ukraine from the start. The issue now is as they ramp up their defence standing is their priority might turn to themselves. Though if they can keep Putin entangled in Ukraine that might be a way of keeping his focus off elsewhere.

Trump is likely to lift sanctions which gives Putin a lot more resources to play with.

He's wants to give the appearance of doing that. He might even believe that's what's he's doing. But he's definitely not doing that. He's throwing the baby out with the bath water.