Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

And I wonder how Zelensky feels about Martin, who he had to meet yday due to refuelling, heading to meet Trump for a glad-handing session on March 12, a meeting full of laughter and plámás and BS, rubbing up Trump to try to save the economy.

I felt sorry for him yesterday and I feel worse for him today

Theres tapes of him trying to extort Zelensky for dirt on Biden. I wouldnt be surprised if the Ukrainians had tapes on or information about trumps relationship to Russia. Bringing anything like that to light would bring him down. There's no reason to hold it back now.

In theory it certainly has changed things but I saw a graphic yesterday of military spending and the EU combined is a drop on the ocean of US spending. I can imagine the EU would need a couple orders of magnitude of spending to even be a coherent force and that would take time. A long time. As a state, the EU flaps around about lots of things and doesn't come to consensus easily at all.

It wouldn't bring him down at all. That'd be a Monday story for him. How would it bring him down when we already have him on live television, propagating a massive lie that inspired some of his supporters to storm the US Capitol on his behalf? Or what about the tape of him on the phone to the Georgia Secretary of State looking for more non-existent votes (and calling him an enemy of the people, later on, when he got refused on this)? Or being on tape admitting that he wasn't supposed to have those classified documents, but he did anyway? Or on tape talking about grabbing women by the pussy? Or being judged to have sexually assaulted E Jean Carroll?

If none of that brought him down, a tape of him attempting to extort Zelensky will just be more conformation of what we all know, but that his party is too spineless to do anything about. So nothing would come of it.

I don’t think it’s a pee tape.

I reckon he either killed a prostitute or (more likely) was caught on tape with a very underage girl, and the Russians covered it up.

It’s the only thing I can think of that someone as manifestly narcissistic as Trump would be scared of people knowing.

An external threat to all can quickly create a consensus.

I didn't say the tape of him extorting Zelensky would bring him down, but there's no point holding it back now.

I said that I would be surprised if the Ukrainians didn't have tapes of his coercion with Russia. And that would bring him down.

Pigs congratulating other pigs.

Nobody should be in the least bit surprised at that.

Pardon my mistake, but even that wouldn't touch Trump. Or at least I'm struggling to think what it could be in light of what Trump has already been nailed on but sailed through. The only thing I can think that might end him is explicit footage of paedophilic acts in a Moscow hotel room, or something. That might do it, but even then, I can imagine his supporters screaming deepfake etc.

I wasn't discussing spending by each into Ukraine. Ignore that.

I'm talking about military spending EU as a whole Vs US. The argument being the EU would not need the US but we are a very long way off that spend. The idea that the EU could defend itself and it's interests. I don't think we are even remotely ready.

Which they will watch again and again ..because asJD said when Zelensky asked him how he knows about Ukraine's conscription when he had never been to the country , he replied " I watched "videos ? ...

I'd laugh , but it's just not funny anymore .

Trump is more than welcome to inspect it from the top and 6.6 seconds later from the bottom.

Catching up on the several pages of posts since the black box moment of the US descent into madness. The real time reshuffling of the world order is painful to watch and it's impacts will be be felt by us all for years to come. American society has so much to answer for, for enabling this absolute **** show of an administration. Trump and his band of merry criminals and opportunists didn't happen in a vacuum. Whenever the dust settles; the US needs to do some serious soul searching to sort themselves out so they can start rebuilding what Trump and Co are gleefully destroying on an hourly basis.

And to the few Trumpists/Putinists that have crawled out of the woodwork in the last few hours; what is it in your lives that made you gravitate towards these dregs of humanity?

I truly hope that Europe quickly gets its act together; treats the US as a compromised unreliable partner now and massively ramps up its support for Ukraine.

Any doubts there might have been about Trump as a politician died in plain sight today.

A bully who just couldn’t handle it at all, and the bootlicker Vance just following orders.

I truly hope history is honest with this moment, VZ showed pure class, he was already a hero to many, now he is a superhero and I want all the glory there can be to Ukraine after this.

No person with an ounce of self respect or intelligence can support Trump after this. A holly human without an ounce of intelligence or class.

Probably like most, I don’t like wishing ill on people, but history has shown that karma comes along. And I hope it comes with an extra dash of pain.

That's all the dignity this den of thieves deserves now. If Musk's sprog took a sh1t there it would be appropriate for this sewer and the vermin that inhabit it. I'd say the actual rats would disdain to tread a claw in the place.