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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I think youre purposely misreading what I wrote. Cops come out of templemore and are told where to go, teachers find jobs where they find them and move, same as nurses, many of whom move to Australia. What I wrote about the IRFU is that they could initiate a system where players are invited to one of the academies and offers come with a commitment to stay at the province for x number of seasons. Academy invitations are spread among the provinces. Any kid is free to pursue a career outside the country but in Ireland there is one professional rugby employer and they can arrange things however they choose to. No-one is being 'reassigned' anywhere, they are being assigned to somewhere as part of their initial recruitment, there is no employment law issue with offering someone a job in Galway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    I would have thought academy players get paid very little ? - with many living at home. It would in turn mean much bigger contracts to move across the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    More likely that you didnt even read your own post.

    Mine referred to the Byrnes and you started off your response with:

    I think people are unrealistic about this, quite frankly, including players. There is one professional rugby employer in Ireland, players don't have a choice who they work for on the Island.

    Then you say:

    The idea that players have a natural veto over where they work in Ireland is not a natural fact, the IRFU could change it any time they liked.

    And:

    Players could be sent wherever the union wanted them to go

    You repeatedly talk about players in broad terms throughout your post and then only mention the academy players idea at the end of your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭ersatz


    You'd be lucky to get a pass from your English teacher for that effort. The conclusion of my paragraph was the following

    Players who qualify for an academy could be designated to a province and could be contractually obliged to remain there for x number of seasons, or they could choose to go abroad to become a pro. I'm not recommending it per se, but it is definitely within the power of the IRFU to institute some sort of system where players are more evenly distributed.

    I don't know how I can make it any clearer that the preceding was a discussion of the theory, to wit - the irfu could institute any kind of contracts they like, while the conclusion described what that might look like. I'm unclear whether youre objecting to the fact that they could, or making an academic point about the argument, but you're wrong on both counts. You're trying to rationalise your argument about employment law that you wouldn't have made if you'd read my conclusion, or understood it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    When you say 'Academy invitations are spread among the provinces.' does that mean that an individual who wishes to work in that industry can only work in a particular geographical area for a predetermined minimum period and this has been determined by the govering body of that industry. Like the Army / Aer Corps / Naval Service ?. Would non Irish players also have to apply to the IRFU for employment, not knowing to which Branch they will be allocated to ?.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Cian Healy to retire at the end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    Owes no one anything anymore.

    What an absolute legend.

    On the cusp of retiring at one stage he manages to go on and play an insane 10 more years.

    Congrats on a stellar career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,559 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    A proper legend for Ireland and Leinster. Never gave less than 100% on the pitch.

    I'd say he could have done another year provincially but you can understand the desire to leave on your own terms whilst you're still a contributor and before your stock falls.

    What a career.

    Hopefully Leinster can give him the send off he deserves this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 642 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Absolute legend of the game who will go down as one of the best loosehead props to play the game but I think it was time for him to retire. Jack Boyle, Paddy McCarthy and Alex Usanov need the game time to develop and it was hurting Leinster and Ireland having Porter play up to 70 minutes a game. We have some really exciting talent that deserve to play.

    Thank you Churchy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Shame he got injured in the Aus Lions tour, didn't get the chance to shine



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,684 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    As a season ticket holder of 20 years, I have a soft spot for young Mr. Healy.

    I remember him emerging on the scene in Celtic League games back then, as a bit of a phenom, a new breed of schoolboy players arriving almost fully formed and taking his seat on the bench as he began coming on for Reggie Corrigan and lighting up the pens of the great old rugby correspondents of the day.

    That he made it to 37 years of age as a prop forward, with some of the injuries on his chart that would have been career-enders for any other man, is a tribute to his ethic, his physical uniqueness, and his love of the game and his teams.

    The stories of Cian being down on Dollymount Strand tossing and dragging tractor tyres on the sand, as he recovered from having torn his ham-er clean off the bone have become almost the stuff of legend down D3 way. But the Proper Church wasn't willing to draw a line at 27 years old. He sweated blood to get back. And here is still is, 11 years on.

    So thanks, Cian, for the memories, for the moments, for the pirate's haul of silverware, for the revolution in performance and success that marked your tenure as No. 1. Number one indeed.

    The last service he could do for his province and his country is to offer a sample of his DNA. Because somebody should bottle it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,121 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I also really admired how well he took being surpassed by Porter for the starting jersey. He fit into subbing without seeming to lose any interest.

    You never know what's going on on their minds but he appeared to make the transition with the best interest of the team in mind. Admirable guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭ersatz


    it’s one employee offering jobs! Pretending it’s an industry with some sort of nefarious actor skewing competition to serve corrupt interests is make believe. Basic draft thing. We have 20 positions in 4 locations, those offered positions may have to move!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭El Vino


    NZ seem to make it work, weren't the Barrett brothers playing for different teams at one stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    I was only seeking clarity. Opening the conversation on how the Union might act to bring a more equal approach that enables the Branchs to compete will draw reactionary criticism, but that was not my intention. There won't be any simple solutions, and mandatory actions may be all we have left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I'm not convinced it will happen or even that its the only way forward. I didn't mean to be abrupt, but there is a common view here that such a development would be impossible/illegal, or even grossly unfair. It's none of those. The question is whether it would improve the situation and is practical. Then there is a bigger question about whether efforts at development regionally would be more profitable than redistributing players from the Leinster area to other provinces. Are there players in Munster/Ulster/Connacht falling through the cracks or not getting to an academy standard because systems in place there aren't to the job?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭ersatz


    He was a competitive shot putter too, right? Agree here, its always inspiring to see an old war horse shift aside for the younger player but remain as a mentor and team player til the end, doing whatever is needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,865 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Team is out for tomorrow.

    Ivan Soroka is a bolt from the blue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    No Gunne or P McCarthy is an odd one.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Why are we paying Barrett if we're just gonna give him 2 months of his 6 month stint off.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 43,385 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    jeez we've had to dig deep for this squad.

    Ivan Soroka (30yo tarf prop and alexs brother) and oliver coffey (year 1 academy)



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,385 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


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    not a bad cardiff team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Because that's the agreement and also why he isn't being paid as much as many people said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Starting team is fine but really down to the bare bones on the bench bar Synman and Penny.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Certainly seems to be alright. I'm not thrilled about it though - it's not like Snyman who was covering an obvious need in our squad. We didn't need Barrett though obviously it's great to have him for big games but having him play with the young squad members would have been super useful. Just seems a bit of a waste from a Leinster perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    I don't see how it's wasteful. He is a difference maker in the big games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    Im more annoyed by the A game affecting Gunne and McCarthy.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Arenaza King must be a cert to get cut at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3




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  • Subscribers Posts: 43,385 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    he got an acl injury back in early jan.

    doubtful he'll be back before the end of the season



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