Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

I know right what a shock. Imagine the Ukrainians not been interested in the complete capitulation to the Russian dictatorship which the US has offered up as a so called peace deal. Who would have guessed that!

why is it nonsense ?

Ukraine has to forget about Nato membership

You say it is presumably a quote from Trump and not necessarily the truth.

Amazing what can come crawling out of the woodwork.

Fiona Hill, a former adviser to US President Donald Trump and a senior fellow for foreign policy at the Center for US and European Affairs, said that if Ukraine had not given up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees under the Budapest Memorandum, Russia would not have invaded.

At the same time, Tyler McBrien, editor of Lawfare magazine, recalled that much of the infrastructure for managing these weapons is located in Moscow.

Hill recalled the call of former Soviet foreign minister and first president of independent Georgia, Eduard Shevardnadze, for the Ukrainian authorities to keep "one or two" nuclear warheads in case of a potential future conflict with Russia.

"In fact, he (Shevardnadze) told his Ukrainian counterpart, see if you can keep one or two nuclear bombs when they gave them up during the Budapest Memorandum, put them in a closet," said the former adviser to US President Donald Trump.

"Shevardnadze said he saw documents about what would happen if one of the Soviet republics tried to secede, and he said you might need them later," Hill continued. Since the early 1990s, many in Moscow have wanted to prevent Ukraine from seceding from Russia, she added.

Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare magazine and a researcher at the Brookings Institution, in his discussions with senior U.S. diplomats involved in negotiations with Ukraine over the Budapest Memorandum, their sense of guilt about the treaty was obvious.

According to him, former US President Bill Clinton also expressed regret about the memorandum.

Where's Tony Schwartz when you need him?

Because the map is just replicating what Deepstate is saying and they stopped updating Toretsk map in January.

This is from 7/2/24 when 95% was taken and it is still the same today.

A more reliable one from today shows an attack but to suggest it is half the town is 2 days is total nonsense.

Anything to do with M-Rat is sh​it.

I'm rather shocked that Ukraine hasn't produced its own nuclear weapon at this stage. They likely have the refining capacity to do so

I don't know but you may not be wrong

Looks like he has no choice, Bit late for some major European powers to step up ,that ship has sailed, Ukraine government prob in talks for months, we'll see on Friday.

What's that got to do with Russia-Ukraine though?

Well he's kind of got his answer

Bit of wiggle room in that 'beyond very much' but, well, not very much…

Zelensky has choice, given the usual diarrhoea exiting the Orc gobs, the 'peace deal is clearly going to be anything but' They don't want peace, they want a ceasefire to lick their wounds, try and fix their economy and get themselves in shape to have another go at it.

The ship is far from having sailed. €700 B is a lot of money.

I do wish people would stop using the word 'peace' when what they're taking about is a 'ceasefire'.

And what exactly would they do with it. They can't deploy a nuclear weapon as Russia would reply with 50. And even if they survived they'd be an international pariah. Nukes are only useful to countries where nutjobs are running the asylum, like Russia, North Korea... and the USA

The only time a ceasefire has been a thing is because Trump wants a Ukrainian surrender.

No one else is calling for a ukranian surrender except Trump.

So the ejection of an invasion force will continue because Ukraine was not consulted.

outside of the technical aspects of the deal , the financial element, who gets what, I thought , from a security point of view, the most PROFOUND aspect of it /comments by Trump on it was when he said “ While the US civil staff from senior management down working on the mines IN THE EAST , Russia will not touch them. It will do so AT IT’s pearl”. Or words to that effect. He was very clear in his statement.

So, if we take that statement as clearly understood , does that mean that Ukraine has now got juristiction over all of the Dhonbas and Luhansk while the US is mining there and when the mines are ‘exhausted’ /the US has got it’s money back and the US goes home - WHAT THEN????????????? As they say “ POSSESSION IS NINE POINTSOF THE LAW”