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So should drivers have to redo the theory test every 10 years?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I don't agree. The fact that we currently have a backlog with a throughput of 200k a year would attest to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Progress is never achieved by putting problems in the way or believing change is impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I prefer the 5 Ps rule: Poor preparation leads to piss poor performance. 🤣

    You don't know what the problems are, you're doomed to failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They should be continuously educated and informed.

    The main causes of injuries on our roads are speed, inattention including mobile phone use, drink/drug driving, seat belt offences etc.

    https://www.rsa.ie/news-events/news/details/2023/01/01/13-rise-in-road-deaths-recorded-in-2022#:~:text=She%20added%2C%20%E2%80%9CDuring%202022%20we,and%20death%20on%20our%20roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Ridiculous idea - a waste of everyone’s time and inevitable money that will be charged - excessive speed and alcohol/drugs in your system whilst driving are the big killers on Irish roads - everyone knows not to break a red light but some do- everyone knows that 24 hour bus lanes are not to be used - but some people do- the test will achieve nothing

    It won’t even reduce the number of road hogs in the overtaking lane on a motorway - in my experience most of those are foreign who just don’t realise what they’re doing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭moonage


    Can you give a couple of examples of ambiguously worded questions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,270 ✭✭✭creedp


    There's a difference between knowing the basic rules and adhering to them. I can only assume no one is going to claim that those who run red lights do so because they need a refresher course on what a red light represents?

    Even professional drivers who have to take refresher courses ignore the basic rules when it suits. Last week on a 100kph road, approaching a 60kph stretch I came across an agricultural tractor and trailer followed by 2 cars dong approx 50kph. Solid white line plus hatch markings as approaching a junction. In my rear view mirror saw an artic gaining rapidly but of course instead of slowing he overtook 3 cars and tractor on the hatch marking at this rh junction. Probably OK though as driving within the posted speed limit. Yesterday on an M1 on ramp came up behind a taxi doing 60kph. He drove onto the M1 forcing a car on left lane to swerve over and the proceeded on his merry way at 60kph. Again a safe driver as well within the speed limit.

    I'm sure both drivers are well aware of the theoretical basic rotr but just do whatever they like in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    We must be coming to the stage where a simulator can do some useful assessment. For new drivers they would not be allow sit the road test until they passed the simulator, which would cut down the failure rate. For people renewing their licence a quick test on a simulator to ensure that nothing major was wrong and a road test if you failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    You should do a sample test yourself. Everyone should. But some of the questions aren't really about driving. For example, how does knowing what the maximum sentence for drug driving is, help your driving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Well the poster a couple of posts above you literally said people driving on drugs are a bigger problem than not knowing the rules as an argument against doing the test, so it sounds like it's a good thing to have the test hammer home the consequences of driving on drugs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭geographica




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I recall one junction, now changed, where such drivers couldn't confine themselves to the line, but went so far forward that they couldn't see the arrow, so not only did they not cut down the time at the lights but had to be reminded by people behind the stop line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The thing is that 90% of drivers in our country are very good drivers so we only need to worry about the other 10%. California have a system whereby for minor offences a driver can attend traffic school instead of getting penalty points. Something like that I think would work well here when combined with Traffic light cameras



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,488 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    From a high level point of view, I don't see anything wrong with having to repeat a theory test every 10 years and maybe re-sit the actual test once every 20 years maybe? Lots would need to be worked out with ensuring backlogs aren't mental and that there isn't an undue cost on drivers, but what is wrong with checking up on people's driving abilities more than just when you sat your test?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Only the village idiot of a village of idiots would think you could drug drive without serious consequences. Whether the max sentence is 4 years or 6 years isn't going to make a blind bit of difference if you're snuffling Peruvian marching powder on a regular basis.

    It's not the notion that the sentences might be lenient that's the problem, it's the thinking that you're unlikely to be caught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭506972617465


    Oh, what a wonderful idea. And sure charge €55 for it while we're at it.

    Lack of consequences for obvious idiocy on the roads and lack of any kind of enforcement will continue. All that retesting achieves is pulling an extra few quid out of our pockets. Because obviously DUH! - it won't be free - quote me on this.

    And to those who think it improves safety: never for one second a speed limit stopped a moron from driving above the speed limit. Never a "one-way road" sign stopped an entitled idiot from driving up said road. Rarely a red light stops a cyclist.

    Normal, careful drivers will be forced to pay and waste time on this re-testing crap and idiots will continue being idiots. Without enforcement, without punishment - nothing changes. Except the amount of money in our pockets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭moonage


    I did do one earlier today. (A pass is 35 out of 40. I got 34.)

    I was surprised that there were no questions about roundabouts and the only one on motorways was about the max speed for towing a caravan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    I did one today and got 36. Surprised because I was rushing it looking for particular questions.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    EYESIGHT needs to be tested every decade. [I put in caps for those who need the test.]

    It is amazing that after the first licence is issued and an eyesight test is put forward, a second one is not required until the holder is 70 years old (or 75).

    So get your first licence at 17 and drive for 53 years whatever your eyesight is like. Few people beyond 40 do not have glasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Where are you getting the "few people beyond 40 do not have glasses" statistic?

    Firstly, most of the people I know don't need glasses. Secondly, those who do, mostly do for reading. Which is not a driving issue.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    If you need glasses, it is marked on your licence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Yes, if needed for driving. Not for reading. The eye test is at a distance, not close up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,478 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Most people are probably fine but a significant minority are not. In this day and age there should exist a machine to do a test, and that could be required when licences are renewed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    The people who wear glasses are not the ones you need to worry about.

    They visit the optician and get regular check ups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭JVince


    It was at that point I spit my drink out with laughter.

    So how will you ensure they are not using google, or have a mate beside them or having a copy of rules of the road.

    Then I fell off my stool when he said that failing it would not hinder getting a renewal.

    Oh, and they haven't costed it. - Just a few hours earlier they were screaming about a national gallery scanner, yet here they are with an utterly nonsencial proposal that would cost millions and achieve absolutely nothing.

    They really are becoming a party of stupids



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    An elderly woman drove into me while I walked across the road. She was turning right from a minor road at low speed and just drove into me - fortunately I was not injured but she said she did not see me (daylight) and she was not wearing glasses. I would estimate here age as 65 plus. I think her sight was suspect since she admitted that she did not see me.

    Here are statistics from Netherlands. I am sure Google can come up with better examples.

    62 percent of the population sometimes wear glasses

    14/09/2023 00:00

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    © ANP / Richard BrockenIn 2022, 62 percent of the Dutch population aged 4 years and over said they occasionally wore glasses. Twelve percent wore contact lenses, some of them alternating these with glasses. Six percent used other optical aids, again some of them in combination with glasses or contact lenses. More older than younger people needed visual aids to see properly. This is evident from new figures taken from the Health Survey released by Statistics Netherlands (CBS).

    What percentage wears glasses? 95% 75 yrs and over 94% 65 to 74 yrs - 82% 50 to 54 yrs - 38% 20 to 29 yrs -

    The older people are, the more likely they are to need an optical aid. From age 55 upwards, more than 90% percent occasionally wore glasses in 2022. For children aged 4 to 11 years, this was 14 percent. Older people mainly wore glasses, while contact lenses were mainly worn by people aged 16 to 64 years.

    We do not appear to have this data, since we do not check eyesight as a rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    That study doesn't specify glasses for driving. Just all of them. Also the "old lady" who hit you, might not have been looking in your direction, not that she was so blind as to not be able to see you. That level of vision impairment would prevent her finding her car.

    You keep missing the point that people wearing glasses does not equate to them needing to wear them for driving. I wear reading glasses and have to have my eyes tested for my license (I have a C1 license) but don't need glasses for driving.

    Most people over a certain age tend to have problems with focusing close in, so need glasses for reading. That does not mean they have a problem seeing at middle or far distance.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Nope but I understand the logic. I think massive enforcement would be cheaper, more feasible and ultimately more beneficial. Plenty of drivers come out of their actual test and break the law within a day. Loads know the rules and still break them. Enforcement breeds initially compliance but eventually leads to culture. When kids do not see their parents texting, calling people, and so on, then they learn it is not acceptable.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    nope, she did not see you because she was not looking. that's the problem, many people pulling out from side roads tend to be looking out for cars, not pedestrians or cyclists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,833 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Exactly.

    Plenty of drivers come out of their actual test and break the law within a day.

    On a recent trip to Sligo, on two occasions as I was overtaking at motorway speed plus VAT I had an N driver up my hole. When I pulled in, they blew past at what could only have been 140kph plus.



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