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The future of James Bond

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,303 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hardly surprising though. The Craig era gave new life to Bond which reached its absolute nadir. But it basically magpied Borne.

    This time they were probably all at sea.

    In reality Bond has had its day. So I don't blame her for cashing in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Things could be about to get nasty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,145 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Those crappy Craig Bonds have already done the origin story. Don't remember which movie but it turns out Bond's motivation is mammy issues.

    This franchise hasn't had a really good movie since Goldeneye. Although Tomorrow Never Dies has gotten better with age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,898 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't agree with that last bit, I think Casino Royale is an absolute cracker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,145 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Greta as a sexy Bond girl would be good fun just to see some people lose their sht over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Taylor Swift could be the baddie, flying her two jets all over the world and brainwashing Swiftys to become her own personal army to help her take over the world 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,145 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Bond needs to go to America to stop a former terrorist/insurrectionist who has just been elected President with the backing of a shady nut job with access to a space ship who plans to sell America out to the Russians.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Too far fetched - at least give him a volcano lair!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    You really need to consider your taste in movies if you think that Brosnan's Bond movies are better than Daniel Craig Bond movies.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Shouldn't even need to be one or the other.

    Casino Royale is one of the very best ever, but I'd put Goldeneye ahead of all the other Craig movies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,145 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I named 2 Brosnan movies and both are better "Bond" than anything Craig done. Goldeneye is a top notch Bond movie.

    The Craig movies might be perfectly fine generic action movies but they are indistinguishable from the million others and not what I watch Bond for.

    I also have no interest in watching Bond getting hung over from drinking too much Heineken because he is sad about his abandonment issues or is feeling washed up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    That's a matter of opinion Breezy. Personally, I don't think I will ever go back and re-watch any of the Brosnan's Bond movies. But I thought four out of five of Craig's Bond movies are very good.

    Anyway, so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,145 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Obviously it's a matter of opinion.

    Do you think I was trying to state my movie preferences as a peer reviewed scientific fact ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Casino Royale is not only a brilliant Bond movie, it's a brilliant movie full stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Casino Royale is great alright. The Craig movies look great and feel very slick, and I think he's a great Bond - but most of them bug me for the idiocy of the decision making and nonsensical plot points… that's fine for the older Bond movies, since they were pretty tongue in cheek and silly, but with how self-serious the Craig ones are, it just feels really 'off' the way a lot of the storytelling unfolds, constantly pulling me out of the movies. The Dalton ones do a much better job of marrying a more serious film with more grounded storytelling.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    My personal ranking of Bond is

    1: Connery. That's fixed und unchangeable. Everyone else plays Bond. Connery is Bond. The same way Shatner is Kirk, sh1tty personality not withstanding.
    2: Craig. He and the film makers understood that Bond is a thug and a killer. And Connery and Craig both play utter snobs that deep down inside have nothing but contempt for moneybags. What I love about both of them are the fight scenes. No flashy choreography, just two guys going at it with the single intention to end the other guy as quickly and efficiently as possible. Just brutal sluggery.
    3: Dalton. He should have kept doing it instead of Brosnan. He also got what it was about. People complain that Craig was too gritty? They grew up on Moore and Brosnan. Which brings me to:
    Shared 4: I can't decide between Moore and Brosnan. The lighter side of Bond. Suave, sophisticated, somehow don't seem in the least bit dangerous, Bond Lite.
    5: Lazenby. Not enough data.😄 Movie was ok, I think he was wrong for Bond.

    There are a lot (i.e. very vocal minority) of people who will ceaselessly crow about how bad they think Graig was. Again, they probably grew up on the "fluffier" Bond movies and that is their image of Bond, a bit silly, a bit naff but you can't keep doing that. Especially since Austin Powers.
    And I don't know why people are so offended by fleshing out the backstory a bit? It's what makes a franchise interesting or maybe they're not willing to put in the effort and are just annoyed by details. Just look at Star Trek, I think having Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds really dive into small details and tangents really enriches the franchise. And if you get the mile-a-minute rapid fire of in-jokes (especially in Lower Decks) it is just so very awesome.

    Back in the 60s to the 90s it was ok to just make a movie, throw a few characters into it with zero backstory or character development and just throw a lot of action on top, but today it is a lot more involved. Otherwise there's always Transformers or Fast & Furious.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    Ya. Very good point. The Bond character portrayed by Moore and Brosnan was that of a sleazy, smug, indestructible agent. People growing up in that era seem to find it difficult to understand that in reality, he is just a human person, with a backstory, with emotions. That, just because Bond was portrayed like that for decades previously, that the movies should continue in that vein. That whole sleazy Bond character was done to death. Couldn't just continue with him being an out and out womaniser, and basing the movies on gadgets. Those themes had run their course. Casino Royale injected something into the franchise again, that made it actually exciting to hear that a new Bond movie was coming out. I don't think I went to the cinema to see any of the Brosnan films. I just didn't have any interest in watching the same formula over and over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's only two ways to go with Bond imo:

    1. Period Piece set back in the sixties. Expensive as all get-out (but that may not matter with Amazon at the helm and their real-world billionaire Bond baddie running the show?) but let's you get back to the cold-war paranoia and the USSR as the bad guys…
    2. Bring back Dalton to finish his Bond's arc, called out of retirement to do a proper old man Bond rather than a "still jacked up and full of human growth hormone Bond in his 50s that we're supposed to see as "past it". Let's him be the
      "gentleman spy" and rely on his abilities with a sniper rifle, his gadgets and his wit than his abilities as a brawler…

    While, personally, I'd love a crack at a Bond origin story and, tbh, have most of one written in my own head at this stage (it ends with him heading off on a first mission that we never get to see). I'd hate to see Amazon's take on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    I like your idea and would love Dalton coming back for a last Hurrah. Absolutely would watch.
    On the other hand, we don't even need to go back at all. You want cold war? Bond villains destroying the US government from within? Who is Blofeld, is it Trump, Musk or are they just minions to Putin who is sitting in an underground lair stroking a cat?
    I'm just not holding my breath that Bond fires off that one bullet to set off the famous Bond Style Exploding Concrete of their hideouts.
    That's one problem right now. Nothing the Bond writers can come up with would be more bizarre, spectacular, unbelievable or bigger than anything that's happening right now.
    So your idea of going back does make sense to a time where Bond didn't play out in real life.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I would disagree. We've plenty of that stuff. I'd rather see a Bond film deal with current day issues rather than retreated the same old ground over and over again.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Yeah, real life is bizarre, but billionaires, politicians and social media wars don't exactly light up the screen. Netflix already have Zero Day to deal with tech wars.

    Casino Royale was a perfect example of a potentially standalone movie.
    A great villain who's nefarious plans need 007 to stop him. Classic Bond.

    Somewhat a shame they dragged it into the whole Spectre-verse.

    Bond 26 just needs to repeat that approach, but not overthink the whole thing.

    A cold war setting would be cool, but they're stuck in that era then for this generation of Bond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    One massive obstacle to doing that: Bond would have to end up being what we would perceive as being the bad guy or Bezoz (an actual Bond villain) isn't going to fund it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Timothy Dalton is surely in his 80s at this stage. Might be the first Bond to break a hip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    "No Mr Bond, I expect you to pass away peacefully due to natural causes"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    If you saw him in The Crown a few years ago he still looks great in the naval uniform and we've had a few films along these lines that have gone down very well: Logan, Harry Brown, Grand Tourino etc.

    A large point of the idea would be to re-set from the brawler Bond that we've had with Craig for the last run. Old guys can still drive fast, shoot accurately, pull off clever social engineering tricks and use gadgets. Bill Nighy's Johnny Worricker trilogy would give you a decent idea of what I'm talking about if you're not already seen them.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I wouldn't mind seeing Pierce Brosnan back either. He looks great.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    For me it'd be Dalton as he was always my favourite Bond. He's the only one I ever believed could pull a trigger in cold blood.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I'd be happy to see old Bond as a spinoff or something but the concept would never sate the appetite for the action and hot girls the franchise requires.

    Of course it may have been done before with British Operative "John Mason" in The Rock. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭Papagei


    Completely agree with this. All that's needed is Bond trying to spoil the villains plans. That's it. The Bond universe shouldn't be centred around Bond the way that it was in recent movies. Nobody should know who Bond is other than the likes of Q and M and so on, the villain shouldn't know who he is or care about him until he actually becomes a pest and begins thwarting the villain's plans. Who gives a fukc about Bond's backstory or his childhood. Just tell a nice neat story that's well made.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A few Irish actors could fit the bill nicely. Like Paul Mescal, Daryl McCormack, Chris O'Dowd and Robert Sheehan.



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