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Kerry Co Op Shares

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Why would you make a statement like that. I never voted anybody onto the board. AFAIK it is the advisory committee that elect board members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The Munster  Dairy Producer Organisation (MDPO) has called on the chairman  of Kerry Co-op to immediately clarify that the €50 million compromise fund from Kerry plc for the leading milk price is exclusive of VAT. The €50 million compromise fund was a core part of the overall joint venture deal between Kerry Co-op and Kerry plc.James Doyle, the chairperson of MDPO in a statement said that the shareholders when they voted last December on the joint venture package agreement clearly understood that a fund of €50 million was to be made by Kerry plc to the Co-op as a compromise amount. If it now transpires that the €50 million is inclusive of VAT, it means that the payment made by Kerry plc for the leading milk price compromise is just €47.57 million. This would be totally unacceptable to dairy farmers.Mr Doyle also said many farmers who had expanded their milk output over the last decade are very disappointed that the actual payment from the compromise fund that they have received in the last few days can be as low as two cents per litre, and nowhere near the 5.4 cent per litre that was emphasised during the lead up to the vote on the joint venture last December
    

    Looks like they screwed us again. A final kick as they went out the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭ftm2023


    Thanks for sharing that Ginger22. It was a very interesting statement from the MDPO. I suppose what bothers me about the MDPO is that I think they want us all to be paid a terrible milk price and for the JV to totally crash and burn just for the sake of their own egos so they can turn around to us all and say “I told you so”. There seems to be a lot of former co-op directors involved in the MDPO, essentially I think they just don’t wish the co-op well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight


    I got the breakdown of the payment in the post today. I only got paid on the contracted volume milk. Wasn't it supposed to be contracted volume plus 10 or 20%?

    Nothing about the 13th payment. Just 2015 to 2020.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭ftm2023


    I see what you are saying Straight but unfortunately no, it definitely wasn’t meant to include the 20% as you mentioned. That was a major bone of contention. They were very clear about it. It was talked about at depth, it was one of the major things that was brought up as one of the main reasons people were voting no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm fairly sure it was contracted volume plus 20% at the meeting I attended.

    I wonder if it is really possible for other people to sign away my rights without my consent. It looks like contracts don't apply to the big fish.

    In other news, it looks like some pretty litigious people in kerry are getting upset about their names being printed. 🤣😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    The contracted volume of milk was your quota plus 20%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight


    Oh yes. That makes sense. I never had a quota.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Must be awful anxiety for some big shareholders to be exposed and not expecting to be....the cute Kerry h**r types now in tatters...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    It looks like Brian Leslie was correct after all. The 80 million EBITDA that Ernst & Young predicted for 2024 actually ended up being 63 million and remember that was while under paying for milk by 1.9 cents a liter. Had they paid the leading milk price that's another 20 million gone. This ship is holed below the water line even before it sets sail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    where did you see that?

    edit: just looked up Kerry's results announced yesterday and found that figure….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight


    The kerry share price is surging ahead, the shareholders are laughing all the way to the bank and the farmers are left holding the baby. We should send tangney to Ukraine for the peace talks 🤣😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    According to the lorry driver the Listowel factory won't open until end of March. Lots of things still to sort out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 oakwork


    Using EBITDA is not ideal in any case and omits items such as interest cost which will has now become a very relevant cost for KDI, its also omits depreciation and its likely KDI will need to cover at least the depreciation cost incurred as cap-ex. True profitability would therefore look to be a lot less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭Enright


    Could I get a copy too please? All I can find is the top 100



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭ftm2023


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    I think one of the only things we will all ever be able to agree on in this thread is that the stuff written about the co-op and the whole saga with the last few weeks has been intolerable rubbish. Article today claiming the co-op still own 11% of the PLC when in fact they don’t own a single share.

    Also, I was wrong about the quota milk + 20%, couldn’t have been more wrong at that. A rare admittance on my behalf 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Well it certainly was the deal of the year for the PLC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight


    Deal of the century..... Amazing how some lads couldn't see it. Blinded by the few bob I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Getting caught out on the 50 million for the vat element alone tells anyone on the outside looking in, theirs a touch of a clown show operating on the co-ops side



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭kerryjack


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    Are ye going to spend the rest of your lives trying to pick holes in this or are ye going to move on and get behind this new venture and make a go of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,107 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Kerry share price is up about 6-7% since this deal went ahead. BOI and AIB are up 20%.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭ftm2023


    Kerry Group’s share price is even worse than it looks—despite buying back and canceling 5% of their own shares, they’ve still underperformed. They once traded neck and neck with Paddy Power (now Flutter), whose stock recently neared €300. CRH, which Kerry used to outpace, is now back on level ground—but with a $67 billion market cap, it’s in a different league entirely.


    The next moves are obvious: the CEO won’t survive the next 12 months. Within a few years, Kerry will abandon the ISEQ and shift its listing to the NYSE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭straight


    https://www.radiokerry.ie/news/ceo-of-kerry-dairy-ireland-says-transition-has-been-very-smooth-425563

    The sky is the limit. Made a fortune last year apparently. Didn't hear any mention of a 13th payment though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 CivilServant10


    Does anyone know what value to put on Kerry Co OP shares now for probate purposes? Are they still worth 6.xxx Kerry Group shares or has that changed since the split? Is the share redemption scheme going to continue or how would you sell the shares?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    Since the conversion Kerry coop shares are worth €0.15 per coop share I think



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭ftm2023


    Kerry Group announced their results this morning. Share price crashed from €89 to €78, they’re at €85 this minute. Back in February 2020 the share price was at €128.50 - since then money has halved in value pretty much… the share price would want to be at €250 today to match what it was 2020

    Just for additional context - back in 2017 I sold Kerry Group shares for €76.10 and I bought houses for €71,000… 3 or 4 months ago an identical house in the estate next door, only a stone throw away sold for €310,000 - I’m just using that as an example as to how worthless money has become

    I sold all my co-op shares and PLC shares a long time ago and put it all into property so I’m on the outside looking in but by the looks of things the ship is definitely taking water. I’d be getting out and taking what you can get for the shares while you still can because the current management team is very amateurish, I’d have no faith in them pulling this back out of the fire.

    The share buybacks they keep announcing are a joke - why do a €300m share buyback again now, the last few buybacks didn’t work. If they wait 12 months they’ll be able to buy the shares back at €65



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