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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    There have been a number of instances of co-operation and support between clubs and schools (including Catholic grammar schools) up here but I'd like to see a really targeted, IRFU-driven effort. We are not going back to the days of well-to-do grammar schools with boarders etc up here; we need to find new avenues.

    I also recall being told about crossover between GAA clubs and rugby clubs - that would be fantastic if it was more widespread. There were quite a few kids in my son's minis team who alternated between both sports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    That is correct, although you'll always have the odd late bloomer. Most schools players who start in a particular position for their school continue in that position afterwards, whether in club or professional. There are obvious exceptions, Brian O'Driscoll played scrum half in school for example and wasn't considered big enough to have a career outside school. Lol.

    Props tend to stay being props, same with locks although there is some interchange with back rows and backs tend to stay as backs although again, some back rows can end up as backs. Jack Conan was a number 8 in school and has only recently switched between that and 6 or even 7. But always in the back row.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    Sorry if I derailed the thread a little. Back to talk of tomorrow's match now. I think it won't be the whitewash that some are predicting. I expect an Ireland win and a reasonably comfortable one at that, but I feel that the Welsh will frustrate us for long periods without threatening to score much themselves. Reffell in particular will score a few turnovers.

    If we gain the lead early I see us winning by 20-25 points. If Wales have the early lead it'll give them something to play for, get the crowd behind them and it'll be a frustrating afternoon. In that scenario it'll be a 10pt win max.

    Hopefully the players will have their heads screwed on and hit the ground running from the kick off. As Brent Pope used to say 'never give a sucker an even break'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I've seen lots of changes over the years but they are uncommon. We had a prop at 16 who suddenly grew to 6'7" and became a lock. We had two centres who ended up back row. I've seen lots but that's over 30 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Dan Sheehan

    On the shoulders of giants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Reffell and Morgan are both excellent poachers so your expect Wales to use similar tactics to England and steal as much ball as possible. It was a successful tactic for at least the opening 30 minutes of that game.

    They don't have as much power up front as England though. Their relative dominance in that half was based on a pressure game where they disrupted or stoke our ball, won collisions and kicked intelligently behind our defence. I can't see Wales having that same success rate at the gain line.

    They'll be fired up for this game especially. They didn't give up on Gatland, but it was clear they weren't getting anywhere with his gameplay and morale was on the floor. They'll be horsing into every contact this weekend and the first quarter will be a shitshow I imagine. Ireland should win. We have a better squad, a successful game plan and we aren't prone to having long patches on bad play in game. But if Wales get an early lead and keep that into the second half all bets are off.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to Wales , as awful as they have been they can't be faulted for effort.

    They've stuck at it to the end in all the games , but they've simply lacked the game plan and the quality to turn that effort into points and victories.

    They'll bring that same level of effort to things tomorrow with possibly a bit more shape and structure that Anscombe should bring , but as you say they aren't as good as England and lack the power that England can bring to bear if given the chance.

    Their defensive shape will be interesting , up to now they've been going to two man tackles to lock the ball up , but against Ireland with the tactic of tip ons and short passes that could come badly unstuck.

    Changing styles in 2 weeks would be very difficult , but if they stick with the patterns they've been using , Ireland could cut them assunder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    id say that didnt happen to be honest or at worse there was a bit of ribbing. actual abuse is almost impossibly unlikely though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    A squad looks strong should be a great game. High Cooney & Culhane not featuring which is surprising but there’s a lot of competition with quality talent all round . Only 3 starting from Leinster , but 9 in the 23 man playing squad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    I’m long enough in the tooth to know the difference between a bit of ribbing and abuse. The sh1t that was hurled that day was nasty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,222 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I'd believe it, the **** I've have thrown at me at the RDS and the Aviva (twice at Ireland games) would make me believe it happens.

    After one SF in the RDS I approached twice by the same group where amongst other crap they threw at me and my family they wished that Len Dineen would die in his sleep that night. Len, for those that might not know was a bit of a local legend in Limerick, he worked as a sports commentator on the local radio station in Limerick. It was announced earlier that day that he was retiring from his sports work. Now, a more biased commentator you might not find but was there need for fans to say what they did about him.

    After an Irish game I had the wife of a fan apologise for the behavior of her husband to the Munster fans around me.

    I could go on but I know I'm talky about a bunch of wasters who do nothing for their province or country but it would be one of the reasons why I stopped going to Leinster games in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    will we all be listing nonsense?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,222 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It seems to be the norm here over the last 24 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Rugby crowds are not segregated for a reason. I think there's a few people here ( on both sides) who might need to thicken up their skin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Changing the subject. U20 was a tough watch. Now 2nd from the bottom of the table , but in fairness to Wales they deserved the win



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭bingobango12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    One past occasion at Thomond I had my scarf thrown to the ground by a gentleman wearing a T-shirt that said “Tommy O’Donnell Rules, OK.”

    “You’re not in the Pale anymore bai” he spat, before slapping the burrata caprese salad right from my hand. It was appalling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Didn't you already tell your tale about guys you know involved in the Leinster academy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,846 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Haha, very good. Won’t clog up the thread getting into this with you of all people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think it was more 'Wales were handed the win'.
    When a better team cannot figure out how to win a game you have to look at leaders and coaches. Seems to be a developing problem in those departments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Do you just like insulting people? Like you are insulting me there and another person in the quote I posted but you claim you know players in the academy and we all accepted it. But you can't accept that a guy met idiots on a couple of occasions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,895 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,222 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Triple Crown winners 2025

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Not perfect but getting close to being back in form. I'll try to get it right for the France game for my regular followers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,222 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Beating France is a must now, I don't see us winning the 6Ns if we lose to France, PD is against us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    a win is a win. It wasn’t pretty, Wales played with belief that wasn’t anticipated. We were lucky to get the win .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    enjoyable enough game, Wales played well, much improved from Gats.
    think if it wasn’t for the 20 minute red rule that could have been a loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The issue today was clearly having to wear those awful jerseys. Half joking but it could contribute just enough visual disruption to established patterns to throw timing off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    DOris has his knee in a brace which is a major concern



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