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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Come again!
    Who are these people that are are being sent to prison for saying things online?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    This is quite a high profile issue in the United Kingdom and Germany at the moment.

    To the point where it's so obvious it shouldn't need to be pointed out.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So this while thing was made up by Gript for publicity?

    We should just take you on your word because you feel sorry for people who frequent Gripts website because you feel some sense of moral superiority over them? OK then, thanks for sharing that.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    If it is so high profile I'm sure you can give five examples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭corkie


    Nice trigger for people to go searching for results, UK results from last year, but Germany has recent arrests.

    Wondering has Justice Minister, Jim O’Callaghan made anymore statements since on it. A selection of opposition TD's (usual suspects getting soundbites in) gave some comments to Gript!

    Example:-

    Ken O’Flynn also criticised Minister O’Callaghan’s claim of being unaware of the matter when questioned on Virgin Media: “That either tells you two things—the minister is not on top of his brief, or the minister isn’t up to the job. So you take your pick of what that is.”

    He added: “I’d hope to say that maybe he just wasn’t on top of it today. But that’s very, very worrying if a minister doesn’t know what’s happening in his own country, what’s happening in his own department, where he’s responsible for.”

    If he was just trying to avoid answering question with informative answers, he could have handled it better. He probably regrets taking that option now.

    Came across that link from Gript, earlier today, but wasn't sure if worth sharing?

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Oh I'm well aware of the fake claims from some quarters in the UK, (arising from the far right racist riots last year) about people being jailed for just ''saying something online''. However, when you scratch the surface of any of these cases, it becomes quite obvious that these claims are bullsh*t.

    Regarding the situation in Germany, it looks as though the social media companies are getting worse in terms of moderating their platforms, so if the police get a report in, alleging someone defamed/disparaged you online, I have no issue with them acting on it and speaking with/charging the offender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    OK, you're welcome to your opinion. Bye now.

    Mod - warned for baiting and trolling

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,597 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The gript narrative always seems to rely on proven grifters being treated as unquestionable purveyors of truth.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The post you're quoting has nothing to do with Gript.

    Your narrative seems to be civil rights for everyone except people you disagree with.

    Gript isn't the issue here, our national police force shouldn't be cutting corners and flying by the seat of their pants in pursuit of evidence. How many mistrials occur for those very reasons? And that's before the issue of the further mistrust it creates in groups already distrustful of the state.

    The whole exercise was pointless and bore nothing but controversy, whoever was responsible for the decision making process behind it needs to give their head a wobble as do those excusing it on the grounds of not liking Gript.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Yes, they have made stuff up before, so yes, there is a high probability that, based on previous stories, that it is highly exaggerated at best or at worst, entirely fictional. Forgive me for not trusting a publication which has lied in the past without some level of scepticism.

    Also, no moral superiority, plenty of supposedly left leaning sites do the same. Clicks drive engagement, visibility and ultimately pay their wage. I have read plenty of articles on other sites where yes, their views would be more in line with my own, but I don't give them anymore leeway in their BS. BS is BS, whether it comes from government, Gript, or other more widely read supposed unbiased media sites, it should be called out.

    I tend to judge based on prior experience, more than willing to change my viewpoint if evidence is provided to change it, and the little provided in the YouTube video (I watched it before commenting further) is not in my view above that threshold. Maybe there is more but I don't see anyone posting it here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There's a burden of proof when you make a claim like that which you're seemingly not enthusiastic about meeting yet in the next breath you're bemoaning the lack of evidence being provided to the contrary.

    Surely you can see the hypocrisy you're presenting here.

    I'm happy to leave it as a difference of opinion tbh, but I felt that dichotomy between your own lack of interest in providing proof and your observation of no proof being provided to disprove your assertions as some sort of feather in your opinions cap so to speak, was worth addressing.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I am obviously stupid, as I don't quite follow what you are saying. Several examples within this thread alone. I didn't bemoan anything, maybe they are telling the truth but all I seen was a one sheet letter in their youtube video which didn't have the level of detail they talk about, even though warrants are often slightly less specific because of Gardai getting caught out in the past because they said mobile phone and they found the proof on a laptop, it was thrown out of court because the warrant said mobile, so now they quite rightly are vague and say electronic devices such as a, b or c.

    The video didn't show this supposed communication from X either.

    Maybe it is there, I just didn't see it. If it was provided, a simple link would be easy to find and post here, Like i said, I could well be wrong, it would not be the first times.

    Anyway, I will leave it there, or face the wrath of John doxxing me and then naming me in a stabbing incident I wasn't involved in, and unlike a proper journalist, blame a source rather than verifying it before publication.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,200 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    what protest?

    wtf can't the gript fans just say what they're on about, instead of just posting links to gript?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,200 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You do realise it's up to those claiming that this incident happened to provide evidence of this. It's not up to anyone else to disprove it.

    What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    So far all we have are links to Gript, why is that?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,608 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: nullzero can't come to forum right now so please don't quote their posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭corkie


    Irish Times article today as what I referred to as the 'Gript Issue'!

    ~~ Archive.ph

    In a post last TuesdayX said that it had “informed 10 of its Irish users that it had successfully opposed court orders granting government access to their data, using Section 63 Criminal Justice Act 1994, as amended. In some of these cases, X went to court to ensure that it was not unlawfully forced to disclose user data.”

    So 'Gript' was the media site, that made it more public, so they not the only entity involved. So people attacking 'Gript' and righting it of as bad/other unsupported news, is misplaced?

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭balanced24


    Gript wouldn’t exist if our media landscape was balanced.

    I don’t really associate with the left anymore. I feel it has been hijacked by middle class straight middle aged white women like Coppinger.

    I’d consider myself that terrible dirty word, to the left, centrist.

    There’s no political party I feel at the moment represents me and the main media just tell me I’m a horrible person because I’m a realist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    What part of our media isn't balanced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The likes of David Quinn and Ian O'Doherty have had columns for decades. Mcguirk was also frequently on shows on both RTE and tv3/virgin. He ended up off of TV because of that time he committed liable on rte. If anything, I would say Irish media has gone to exceptional lengths for the sake of balance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭balanced24


    I disagree, they have far left and far right commentators.

    They don’t represent my views.

    I’m pro abortion, pro LGB, pro trans rights but think there’s issues around sport etc, I don’t believe in queer as an identity nor non-binary. I think we need to rethink immigration, for example I’d stop all English language students, it costs the taxpayer more to host them than they are legally allowed to contribute.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No one is ever going to have exactly the same views as anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭balanced24


    I only see extremes represented in Ireland, no centrist views which I’d consider mine. People like to use this term ‘centrist dad’ as a put down but I see it as sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Centrism is literally the majority of coverage. It's what gets parties like FF and FG elected. Commentators, as distinct from news, are always going to go to extremes. But commentators aren't news.

    I don't see what you're looking for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I would consider most journalists in Ireland to be centerist. There aren't so many extremist views, I wouldn't think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭balanced24


    Fine Gael who flooded the country with migrants, South Americans and so on? Facilitated by Fianna Fáil.

    They are not a centrist party.

    The ones you consider centrist I consider right or centre right Quinn, O’Brien, Power, Kelly.

    Those are columnists but for journalists this is the media who wouldn’t publish Ryan’s statement in case it caused a backlash.

    I’m saying I don’t feel represented, you don’t get to tell me how I am represented.

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    "flooded with migrants"

    I don't think you're as centrist as you think...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,200 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They platformed some very odd individuals in the marriage equality referendum in particular, because there were almost no sane opponents who weren't bishops, and the bishops refused to appear on TV... but 50% of airtime had to be filled nonetheless.

    Are you kidding, we probably have the most centrist politics in the democratic world.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,200 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Thanks for that. (Why couldn't the griptsters just say what they were talking about, instead of speaking in code?)

    We have pretty weak legal protections for journalists who refuse to disclose their sources, that is probably something that should be strengthened. I wouldn't like to see a journalist jailed for refusing to reveal who provided them with confidential information, which as the law stands, can happen.

    But then we'd have to define what a journalist is, some lunatic with a website and a grievance does not a journalist make.

    Gemma used to be employed as a journalist, is she still one?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Hotblack Desiato Your welcome! ** griptsters **!?

    I hopefully would not classify myself as one. Enjoy reading "Gript's" articles from time to time, but wouldn't take what they say as gospel, probably do additional research on the subject myself, if I needed.

    What surprises me on this issue, is that people writing it of because of the source. Am I foolish to assume that Virgin Media and the Irish Times today, haven't done due diligence on it, before reporting it? If it was a bogus claim? Surely it would have be de-bunked by others by now.

    I'm wondering what person is going to be gullible enough to report what supposedly happened to Derek Blighe last night!

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Well the IT article has more info in it than the GRIPT YT video, including the fact that the application was time limited to the dates and in relation to that event. I suppose the query then becomes, from the Gardais POV, if someone calls themselves a journalist but appears to be involved in promoting/instigating a crime rather than reporting on one, are they protected as a journalist. X quite rightly appear to have queried the legality, no different than a person asking to read a warrant before it is served.

    Also the confusion between a columnist/opinion piece, and a piece of journalistic work seems to have become confused in the general publics eye. This is not a flaw of Gript alone, several news purveyors do this nowdadays but it is something that should be better advertised. For example, the IT article has "Opinion" written above it because that's what it is, it has facts within it but it presumably has not met what many would consider minimal journalistic standards in that ;it says itself, they don't know the full details; it isn't simply reporting the facts without bias; and fact checking has not been fully completed.



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