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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to Gatland , I read an interview with him yesterday and he was asked about selection and he specifically said that he wasn't picking for now , but he was trying to build for the next world cup.

    He used Anscombe as the example - His view was that Anscombe could absolutely "do a job" now but age and injury profile made him a risky bet for the next WC so he went with the younger guy to get games into him.

    Right or wrong , there was an underlying logic to the decision I guess.

    Wales need a few wins or at least a few "performances" now though..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,417 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    When the bench comes on we could have 7 players u25 on the pitch.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,369 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not dissimilar to how England approached it with the two Curries in the 1st game.

    You'd hope that Ireland learned the lessons there and that they have a plan to neutralise the threat from Wales as they did in the 2nd half against England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    You're not going to build anything playing players out of position. Getting humped every week is not going to put them in a better position for a world cup.

    I'd be shocked if he got a decent job ever again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The spread on Paddy Power is +25 for Evens last time I looked. I don't think we will beat them by that margin at all.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭techdiver


    This is a real "no win" situation for Ireland. The only satisfactory outcome is an absolute hammering. Anything else will be seen as a failure. It's one of those games we need to get out of the way early and move on to 2 weeks time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Gareth Anscombe hasn't looked great for Gloucester. It looks like they are signing Ross Byrne next year and that tells you all you need to know.

    How many debutants on this Wales team and a new front row?

    I can see a worse defeat than the French one for the Welsh.

    Watch how many penalties they give away at the breakdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Bealham is fantastic but he's a year older than Furlong! Need to have young guns at the ready too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm just bringing this up because you say coach favourite but it's two coaches now and they clearly both see him as the best option. And it's not like Easterby is afraid to change things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Doesn't really matter what it's "seen as" imo. The team will privately be aiming for a grand slam, the objective will be a win and ideally 5 points. Nobody will care if we lift the trophy in Rome in ~3 weeks.

    (though having said that, some of the background whinging this year has been through the roof, so I'm sure some people will find a way to complain no matter what).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭50HX


    And he's had enough game time when you inc the AI.

    I was at NZ game & thought he was v poor, if it had been another winger they'd be slated.

    This thing of he suits the way management want play highlights that we only have 2 wingers then that can play that style & they will always start regardless of form.

    He is coming back into form which is great to see but if he's form in AI had been just b4 or during a WC then what are the options.

    I like him has a player but you'd have to wonder where do we go re style of play if both wingers were injured.

    Wales game should suit him & hope he goes really well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Furlong

    Bealham

    ToT (got injured in November, then suspended in January)

    Jager

    Clarkson

    That would have been the depth chart at the start of the season. Clarkson basically got his chance as a result of injuries, took it and kept his place. I don't see what's off about it. It's not like he has been getting mullered in the scrum either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    James Ryan, Ringrose, Beirne, Conan, POM have all captained Ireland or provinces. Plenty of VC options there. Sheehan will make way around 50-60 minutes depending on the scoreline. Gus is a very able replacement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I have zero idea why Clarkson is ahead of Wilson, who has been good in the scrum and often excellent in the loose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Clarkson got picked as a development player in November and TOT lasted all of 30 seconds v NZ, and with Furlong out Clarkson found himself in the squads for subsequent games. If TOT hasn't tackled an all black with his head Clarkson may not have got capped



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Well, fair play to Clarkson, but I'd have had Wilson ahead as a development player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    I think we will could even be 30+ if we really want to. We are so superior then them. My only fear is that we take the foot off the pedal once we are out front with 20 to go...we were sloppy against England and Scotland in the final quarter. My prediction is 42 10



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    is Wilson injured? He’s not even in the A squad.

    From the bits I’ve seen of him he looks more promising than Clarkson, Aungier and Jager. The T O’Toole loosehead experiment looks to be continuing for the A’s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    No idea how Wilson isn't involved either, very exciting young prospect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,466 ✭✭✭almostover


    Just reviewing the squad selection and although I'm very happy with the 23 picked it does give an interesting insight into the current state of Irish Rugby.

    Of the 15 starters, 12 Leinster, 2 Munster & 1 Connacht.

    The 8 subs, 4 Leinster, 3 Connacht & 2 Munster.

    Total breakdown of the matchday 23: 15 Leinster (65%), 4 Connacht (17%) and 4 Munster (17%). Zero Ulster players selected.

    I'm not for a second suggesting that the players selected don't deserve their spot. What is alarming is how far behind Leinster the other 3 provinces have fallen. It must be a very tough time to be an Ulster fan in particular. Granted Izuchukwu may have been benching if he wasn't injured.

    What's worse is that 1 of the Munster players is a product of the Leinster academy and schools system (Beirne). And 2 of the other 3 are probably playing in their final season at international level (POM & Murray). Crowley is the only homegrown player who'll be there long term.

    1 of the Connacht players is in the same boat being a Leinster product (C Prendergast). The other 3 Connacht representatives comprise of two who play for Ireland based on familial relations (Bealham and Hansen) and the other qualified due to residency (Aki).

    Hard to see how this will play out long term. It's great in the short term, Leinster and Ireland have a great crop of players and if the Leinster school production line keeps pumping them out then perhaps the national team remains strong. But surely interest in rugby in the other 4 provinces will suffer badly from this.

    And before the inevitable jumping down my throat for making such a point I'd like to point out that I happen to hold the juxtaposed opinions that the current success of the national team is unprecedented and wonderful while also holding the opinion that long term the prospects of the three non-Leinster provinces looks to be fcuked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Wilson isn't even in the A squad is he? There were 70 players picked and he's not one of them, clearly something the coaches don't like. Why hasn't he nailed down the Ulster starting position so far?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭conquestscarer




  • Posts: 146 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wilson has a lot of promise but I also think the explosive carries he makes distract people from technical issues in his core roles as a prop. He's got plenty of time to fix those and push ahead of other players. Aungier has been quietly excellent in all aspects of the game at Connacht this season. He's not flashy but the quality work he gets through really adds up. Jager just hasn't lived up to his billing. When I've watched him he looks like he struggles for mobility and is liable to knock on under any pressure. I haven't seen enough minutes of Clarkson this season to make a call on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Clarkson Has been good. Core stuff at set piece he has been solid. He is not far off 50 leinster appearances and I'd wager he will endup with 200+ leinster appearances and 50+ international caps if he is lucky on the injury front.

    He is getting more and more prominent around the park too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Totally agree here, and great to see Connacht regularly with players on and around the team. But the idea that provincial fans are losing interest in Ireland because 'their' players aren't getting into the team is the fevered dream of 2 or 3 posters on boards and literally no-one else in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i wouldnt be so dismissive of it, whether you agree with the sentiment or not its definitely a bit more prevalent that just 2 or 3 on here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    It's a common theme on other forums/social media. The team announcement threads in recent times are littered with nonsense about fans of "the other 3" losing interest in ireland because of the Leinster players in the team and how it's not good for the game here.

    Some fans wish their own star players go to France to cash in because the IRFU have some agenda against themas players and the d4 media pick the team blah blah

    I can remember Ireland match day squads of the noughties with 11-12 Munster players. There is 15 leinster players in the 23 for Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Right, I remember not being able to win a game in France or London from one end of a decade to another. Henshaw has never won a test in Cardiff and Wales are shite! Wales are probably worse than they ever been yet they have 4 grand slams in the last 20 years, that tells you how quickly things can turn around. Anyone not enjoying Ireland's purple patch for some kind of parochial reason has got serious problems unrelated to sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,911 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I know Wales are rubbish but this time last year England only beat them by 2 points in Twickenham. An England team that managed to beat us a few weeks later. They have some decent players, a recognised out half and a lot of hurt. And they got rid of Gatland. They have a free shot. If we can avoid yellow/red cards (which we should), it should be a canter but you just never know. I'd rather Keenan and Doris were playing. We cannot be complacent and I don't think O'Mahony will allow that.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The starting team was never as heavily weighted. Like the current situation is definitely unprecedented. You can argue one way or another about the genesis of it but it's not just a different make up of the same effect from the 2000s. It's a fundamentally different situation.

    Interestingly connacht are better represented and Ulster have been here before plenty of times. But obviously the Munster representation is much diminished.

    Like I can read stuff online. It's definitely a thing that exists. I don't particularly agree with it and it's hard to argue against the selection policy with our success. But it's just not the same as the Munster dominated teams earlier in the 2000s.



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