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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Hanson needs a big game

    And if he doesn't, I'd like to see Nash back in for France



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,328 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Nash did absolutely nothing against Scotland bar walk in a try he couldn’t miss and chase down a few kicks.

    Hansen was far more involved and offered so much more around the pitch against England.

    Statistically speaking in this Six Nations:

    Hansen has 5 tackles (71%) to Nash’s 4 (67%)
    Hansen has 8 carries for a total of 28m to Nash’s 4 carries for 5m

    Hansen has 4 defenders beaten to Nash’s 0

    Hansen has 10 touches to Nash’s 5

    The only areas Nash come out on top is one less penalty conceded and a 50% Ruck effectiveness to Hansens 14%.

    Hansen isn’t at his best but he’s slowly getting back there after nearly a year out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 503 ✭✭✭The Macho Man


    I'd beg to differ re TC. I've watched him live, last game I saw was v Bath, looked very comfortable in the scrum and really got around the park well. Hasn't put a foot wrong, impressed against the Eng scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I'm not up in arms about it or anything and I hope he goes well this weekend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,071 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The only selection that feels slightly, a teeny bit off (or more-so inconsistent) to me is Clarkson. It feels unusual for this Irish management to pick a guy from relatively far down the depth chart and elevate him up this quickly without really needing to.

    I don't really know what you mean by "off", but I would disagree that we don't need to test Clarkson.

    Bealham has been great but he's 33. Furlong is 32 and will (IMO) never be the player he was. Unlike others, front row is not a position where you can move a guy in to fill a gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    I mean I'm not sure stats from 1 game each is really relevant?

    Nash has been in better form for quite a while now.

    I also did say Hansen needs a big game, not that he shouldn't be starting or be dropped regardless for France, I think that's fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,563 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Nash had one start from 3 games, Hansen had two starts so more game time. yet the stats you use don't really show Hansen as being that far ahead in their stats tally.

    Hansen seems to be another coach favourite so no doubt he'll start unless injured though I would have started Nash for some of the AIs and I think he should start v Italy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭irelandrover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,563 ✭✭✭✭phog


    My bad, goes to show where my head is this morning.

    Hansen still has more game time though as Nash was subbed to allow Crowley get game time (another head scratcher but sin scéal eile)



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Nash is in better form for what his game is, but he just can't replace the auxiliary playmaker role that Hansen inhabits.

    Now, I do still think it is fairly marginal between them at the moment and I wouldn't be worried about Nash starting or anything. I just think that Hansen's all round game just brings more to the backline - and given we lack real pace in the backline I think more playmaking is the direction they want to head in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,804 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    I like the changes. Baird probably the most disappointed, I'd be interested to hear the management feedback to him on where he needs to improve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,071 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yep, exactly this. Nash had a decent game against Scotland but it was an out-and-out winger performance. When the ball came to him, he did good things. The stats cited above show that Hansen managed twice as many involvements in the same number of minutes as Nash and that's the difference. I'll bet if you looked at Lowe's involvements, they'd be along the same lines as Hansen and this is what Ireland want from their wingers.

    it's hard on Nash who's done nothing wrong but he was always up against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Agree with the above re Hansen being an overall better player, but he hasn't really shown that form this season.

    He might be coming into form which is great, let's hope Saturday he goes well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I don't think Nash would make the extended squad of England, France or Scotland to be brutally honest. He's a decent player, he won't let you down, but he's always a stop-gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭typhoony


    I don't think it will be as comprehensive win as people think, they have enough decent players to make it difficult for us to rack up points. Not sure they score whole lot of points. My prediction maybe 24-14



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    This team selection is important for Ireland going forward if they win with ease it augurs well for Ireland's futhure in that we are developing a squad that is able to be competitive. Hopefully the days of an outhalf playing for 80 +minuites because the back up cant be trusted is behind us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    I wouldn't read the latest post in the Six Nations thread if I were you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,083 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I've been thinking similar scores myself in the recent past, but looking at the way the team has been playing, it seems to be a slow start, then 50 minutes of a blow out studded with training ground moves.

    If we turn them over once or twice early on, it could open a serious flood gate. I'm going to say 37-12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Wales have, rather sadly, done the right thing and named a 10-12-13 axis that are actually comfortable playing those positions.

    Also named Jac Morgan and Tommy Reffell at 6&7 so they'll be attacking that breakdown relentlessly to steal the ball



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Looking at that team, Gatland should be not let manage anyone ever again.

    That is a way better balanced side than anything they've put out in a considerable period of time.

    I'm a natural pessimist when it comes to supporting my own teams but I'm not sure this will be the walk in the park many believe to be the case.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to Gatland , I read an interview with him yesterday and he was asked about selection and he specifically said that he wasn't picking for now , but he was trying to build for the next world cup.

    He used Anscombe as the example - His view was that Anscombe could absolutely "do a job" now but age and injury profile made him a risky bet for the next WC so he went with the younger guy to get games into him.

    Right or wrong , there was an underlying logic to the decision I guess.

    Wales need a few wins or at least a few "performances" now though..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    When the bench comes on we could have 7 players u25 on the pitch.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Not dissimilar to how England approached it with the two Curries in the 1st game.

    You'd hope that Ireland learned the lessons there and that they have a plan to neutralise the threat from Wales as they did in the 2nd half against England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    You're not going to build anything playing players out of position. Getting humped every week is not going to put them in a better position for a world cup.

    I'd be shocked if he got a decent job ever again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,888 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The spread on Paddy Power is +25 for Evens last time I looked. I don't think we will beat them by that margin at all.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭techdiver


    This is a real "no win" situation for Ireland. The only satisfactory outcome is an absolute hammering. Anything else will be seen as a failure. It's one of those games we need to get out of the way early and move on to 2 weeks time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Gareth Anscombe hasn't looked great for Gloucester. It looks like they are signing Ross Byrne next year and that tells you all you need to know.

    How many debutants on this Wales team and a new front row?

    I can see a worse defeat than the French one for the Welsh.

    Watch how many penalties they give away at the breakdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Bealham is fantastic but he's a year older than Furlong! Need to have young guns at the ready too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm just bringing this up because you say coach favourite but it's two coaches now and they clearly both see him as the best option. And it's not like Easterby is afraid to change things.



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