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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭star61


    Less than half of the students in University studying medicine in Ireland are Irish.The same with Dentistry. Majority are International students. It Seems the Government needs the money from the International students to subsidise the Irish students??? They also introduced a HPAT exam so even with maximum points Irish students cannot get into medicine. It’s a very strange set up. The Government doesn’t have the money to pay for students to study medicine or dentistry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭balanced24


    Mod edit:

    Post deleted, as anecdotes are not allowed in this thread.

    @balanced24 please read the original post of this thread so you can be aware of what applies to this discussion.

    Thank you.

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭enricoh


    None immigration related - no surprise there. Do you see any immigration related issues in Sweden?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I can’t do this constant goalpost moving. I’ll leave you to your evening. Good luck.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,902 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ye just cannot answer a question on Sweden can ye, it's indefensible nowadays -kryptonite for ye!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,967 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    They have increased places but for a long time medical schools RCSI especially took on as many paying international students to help keep funding up . Doctors trained here with funding from their governments or wealthy families and when they had qualified and got a few years experience went home to their own countries as consultants. Still do but many do settle here too .

    Only in the last few years has it dawned on Irish politicians that 6 years in college and the years of long antisocial hours and hard work after qualifying can be a turn off for many .Especially cash strapped Irish students who often have to get placements abroad to expand and hone their skills before they can apply for the few consultant posts in this country .

    Now college places have been increased in the last few years and new consultant posts added but more needed if our health system is to survive.

    To the other poster ...None of this is my decision not would it be my choice in an ideal world. Do not take a post and twist it to accuse me of being selfish or not caring about other countries . Where do you think you are posting to say something like that to another poster , you think with impunity no doubt given your status ? I don't reply to people who post like that and won't to you so you have the advantage because essentially I won't be challenging you .

    I have had the same ludicrous emotive personal comments from you before . So now ..Please ..don't speak or refer to me again , thank you @cdeb

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭star61


    Even with the new places - still less than 50% of students studying medicine. 5 years to do Medicine in most of the universities here. Then one year as an intern. Huge numbers are applying but the HPAT and limited places are what’s stopping them from qualifying. The ones who can afford it and are willing to move abroad to study are going to Italy and Poland. It seems very strange that given the huge need for Doctors and Dentists here and being told we are such a wealthy Country that the Government cannot find the money to train them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Once again (I’d say this has been covered upwards of a hundred times on this and related threads), you’ll find extremely, precious few people that are unhappy with qualified nurses and doctors entering the country from elsewhere.

    Both are already on the critical skills visa (as I’m sure you know well). These are precisely the people we want to attract to the country.

    You are aware that the government can actually tailor our immigration policies to favour the highly qualified right?
    But what if people aren’t qualified enough to enter through the proper channels? It’s the alternative channels people exploit that need to be tightened and scrutinised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭briangriffin


    What percentage of medical students who start medicine in Irish colleges are foreign born would you say?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,967 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Totally agree .

    Also post graduate medicine costs students full fees less the paltry bit they took off in the last budget .So if you are a regular say Science Graduate hons and want to do the GAMSAT and study medicine post grad it will cost you around €60 to €80k before you qualify . That's before you factor any other expense .

    Not much of an incentive for your average graduate not from a wealthy background .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,967 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Was replying to an op decrying ALL immigration ..

    But I take your point .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,967 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,087 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    A great interview by Cllr. Liam Browne from TippFM today, speaking about the IPAS system

    This is local radio, this is echoed across the country while the main stream media bury their heads in the sand.

    Last year over €1 billion was spent on IPAS accommodation – €2.7 million per day. That’s a 54% increase from the year before – in 2023 it was €622 million. And since 2019 which is only five years ago its gone up from €129 million to over €1 billion which is a ten times increase for accommodation of IPA’s.

    This is absolutely disgusting.

    We shouldn't be patting Jim O'Callaghan on the back for his recent comments "too many people” are coming to Ireland seeking international protection who are not entitled to it, where was he and his party for the last 5 years where most of us in this thread been jumping up and down for something to be done?

    FFFG have open this can of worms and this country will feel the repercussions for years to come

    Countries that are the biggest culprits: Nigeria, Algeria, Georgians and South Africans, all safe countries but yet they keep coming because Ireland has no deterrents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,867 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Very weak performance from this minister for justice.

    Whole host of platitudes thinking he's saying what people want to hear but a complete vacuum in terms of commitment to execution.

    At best, they might get around to amended emigration laws next year. It's fu*king February you wet blanket.

    Does he genuinely think we're impressed with the meaningless application rejection stats when they ultimately mean nothing when you have unlimited right to appeal and little to no removal processes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,513 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I think he should be given a chance to see if he can do anything to ramp up deportations.

    I'm not very optimistic though that anything will change with the numbers arriving here every week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,087 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It's all waffle, nothing concrete, next year this, next year that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,513 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,240 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Another NGO no doubt.


    Creaming the tax payer and afraid her cash cow is about to dry up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,867 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Her livelihood and social status are derived from this sham



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,967 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You won't get a name .

    someone who works for an NGO so therefore according to some is not entitled to speak , breathe, exist .

    And people talk about censorship ;)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,469 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Who said that person is not entitled to speak, breathe, exist?

    Very unusual that some meaning more than one person said it.

    Or are you making up things?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,824 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - posters on both side of this debate are getting very close to the point where their posts will be actionable, can you please all dial back the uncivil posting?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    I don't think you get the right to tell me not to reply to you @Goldengirl. That's not really how debate works.

    Your comment was inherently selfish. I went to a bit of effort to show how your view was unsustainable, drove global inequalities, contributed to climate change, and other things. Rather than engage in that, you've chosen to ignore all of that and personalise things. That's your right I guess, but it really undermines your argument and your credibility as a poster.

    You should maybe consider taking constructive criticism on board - but I suspect you won't allow yourself to change your views or consider yourself wrong. You'll be back banging the same drum fairly shortly. That's the biggest disappointment in all of this.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod warning

    @cdeb @Goldengirl

    This back and forth between you too stops now, or bans will follow.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Very enlightening, but again, no surprises here lol.

    There's absolutely zero of this kind of forensic analysis of the money trail from our bought and paid for media. Sure why would they, best not anger the landlord.

    The lax financial regulation and gross numbers involved have been a field day for some and it seems they play very loose and fast without any critical eye cast upon them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    Mod Edit: Warned for posting incidents before the courts

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The description of these court cases never mentions deportation.

    I would prefer if he was deported rather than cost the Irish tax-payer more money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    The holding company which owns the hotel in Dundrum in tipperary was awarded a government contract to house asylum seekers despite the fact they had fauled to file annual returns with the Companies registration office for several years.

    Clearly the government department don't do any due diligence on who is getting these contracts but you can be sure if I was self employed and made a mistake in my revenue returns I wouldn't be afford such a lax attitude.



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