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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,929 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note.

    Good morning everyone.

    I have deleted a number of posts (app. 10).

    A kind reminder of the site wide policy to not discuss cases that are in front of courts.

    Thank you all.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    Very concerning but hardly surprising development in Ireland these days.

    Imo it's further evidence of how unbridled our govt/judiciary would be if the full extent of hate speech bill was passed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭corkie


    Interesting video. 'The Gardai through requesting information from 'X' went after Gript'

    I was nearly not going to watch, and like others might pass it by because of the source!

    @H_Lime They didn't get the Hate Speech Bill passed, but there are bringing in elements of it through the EU #DSA!

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_25_300

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    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Is there a tl;dr of this where I don't have to watch a gript video?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Gardai requested X/Twitter give out personal information of Gript and it's employees because they attended the protest in wicklow last year in an effort to find evidence that might help their case.

    They could have just asked instead of going full Stazi on it.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭corkie


    @nullzero Thanks for going more deeper with the tl;dr than I did!

    Without having to watch the video, the above goes into more detail on it.

    I think this issue was raised in the Virgin Media Tonight show earlier?

    Edit: - I heard correctly found the clip segment on 'X'.

    From my understanding this is a breach of powers and using the law wrong?

    • attack on the right to privacy and the right of a free press to operate within the Republic of Ireland.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    That's exactly what it is and the faux lefties that don't care because it suits their current trending political persuasion are incredibly shortsighted. History shows that dog has a habit of biting all eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    A deeply worrying but hardly surprising story. Its bad enough that the state would go after the data in the first place, the worst part is that they don't even inform the user they are doing so. Only for the fact X fought the case, Gript might never have known. Equally, while it's great X said no, would Meta have our backs like X did.

    People don't realise how much over reach the state has in our lIves these days, and it will only get worse if elements of hate speech Bill get passed through.

    Equally, the left or Gripts detractors making hay from this news are threading a risky path, because the state won't always be on your side.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    So the Gardai went about it the correct way instead of politely asking someone who might not give them the correct info. Gardai can't win, do the job properly, they are "Stazi" or don't do it properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Say if you were at a protest, whether it was for Gaza, anti water charges or anti austerity protest. There are 10,000s at the protest, but in the course of the protest there way a crime committed, but not commited by you or witnessed by you. How would you react, that unbeknownst to you, the Gardai tried to access you phone data, your messages, who your contacts were, your ip address and other private .

    Now, add in the fact you're a journalist, who may have various sources that you have built up trust with, and further add to that, you're a journalist who has been critical of the state in the past.

    Can you not see the issues here? The gardai went on a fishing expedition, unsure what they were looking for, just hoping to get something.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I haven't watched the video, mainly due to lack of faith in the supplier of information but considering I presume you mean that "the journalist" is the person who made the video. If them, I would accept my role in acting as an instigator and that i was a legitimate person of interest. This of course is from the viewpoint of someone who isn't guilty of anything so my opinion may be different if I was guilty of something that they were investigating. So if they use it in a "fruits of the poisonous tree" and damage the integrity of the process, absolutely against it, if however, it was a legitimate expedition for information related to a crime they were investigating or suspected of occurring, then absolutely it is fair game.

    You will of course forgive my lack of faith in GRIPT where the last time someone sent me one of their "investigative" pieces of "journalism", they used an AI generated image to claim crimes were committed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not inclined to take as gospel the word of a known disinformation outlet. If you've actual evidence of the Gardai acting improperly, I'd prefer to see that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep, let's remember this is the same group that spent a month claiming they were ignored at a press conference which turned out to be bs. The exact same posters were getting outraged about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    This goes far deeper than Gript, it now transpires that the state have gone after minimum 10 X accounts that have been critical of the state and their handling of various social issues over the last year.

    Again this isn't about the gardai looking for one incident or one tweet, it's about accessing all the data X had on the users.

    We live in Orwellian times.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its not a conspiracy, they went after 10 accounts, and those that have come forward so far, are accounts that have been critical of the government.

    https://x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1891939298577891553



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing to see here (cos it's Gript). Lefties would be apocalyptic if it was the Journal or one of their favoured sources

    Not at all surprising - some of those foaming at the mouth on this thread adopted a "nothing to see here" attitude over government lies over the 2 referendums in 2024.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: If you have evidence of the Gardai acting in an inappropriate manner please provide it instead of repeatedly soap-boxing these type of comments. If you don't have evidence, posts like these belong in the appropriate forum, linked below for you. Thanks.

    https://www.boards.ie/categories/conspiracy-theories



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Gript didn't commit a crime so the Gardai didn't go about it the right way in this case.

    Why have GDPR to begin with if personal data can be accessed without good reason?

    Those arrested can have their personal information accessed with good cause, but using back channels to get at peoples personal data is only going to result in greater distrust in the authorities.

    The Gardai of all organisations should be doing things the right way. Just because you don't like the people they're targeting doesn't legitimise their actions.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,599 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A dump from an X account proves nothing. You've given no meaningful information at all. We have no names, no motivation, nothing. It's a pretty weak conspiracy theory and that's saying something.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    They haven't detailed which accounts were targeted. Eg the likes of Philip Dwyer and others are known for engaging in criminality so it's more likely the owners are subject to investigation. Eg I imagine the Gardai are very interested to know about users who were egging on the Dublin riots. Many of those accounts may argue they are critical of the government, that doesn't give them free reign to break the law.

    Also let's remember Twitter and its owner engages in propaganda on a frequent basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,381 ✭✭✭corkie


    The people who maintain Jim O’Callaghan social accounts should have made him, aware of this issue!

    It has been reported that he was tagged allot yesterday on the subject.

    One example of it from as early as 10am that I have seen. As I said there is a clip of the program on 'X' @TonightVMTV

    Tried to find the time stamps on virgin media player but was getting swamped with adds, when attempting to do that.

    Edit: - Checked on the virgin box player and the segment starts around the 15 minutes mark.

    Was he actually aware of it, but used it as an excuse not to have to give informative answers on it?

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭crusd


    I think the 36th biggest news and media outlet in the state overestimate their importance.

    Journalists should not have their communications tapped without just cause being established. Real news organisations should also not write articles exclusively from the viewpoint of their paymasters. All news organisations



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    What back channels though? If they were looking for info on me for a crime while investigating, do you think they would a) go to where the info is sourced and make a request or b) come to me to ask directly. It would of course be option a, for what should be really obvious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Gardai don't have freedom to access personal information of people who happen to have been in proximity to an incident where arrests occurred.

    You're essentially excusing police state behaviour because it's targets are people you don't like, which is a preposterous childish position.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭tarvis


    Could Gript be the canary in the coal mine but antipathy towards the site means the message of the article is lost ?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Not what I said at all, please re read and come back to me if you have questions. Forgive me for not taking the word of a grifter and proven liar at face value. I never said they did. They would on the other hand have a right to investigate instigators of said incidents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭H_Lime


    I think anyone who's incapable of separating their lack of political alignment with a journalistic endavour, and it being the target of police over reach and draconian surveillance, is noise.

    Of course I'm speaking generally and not regards anyone in particular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Perhaps you can clarify your position then.

    Because the above statement is at odds with my perception of what you've said up to this point.

    The fact is that the Gardai went about this in a ham fisted manner, ended up without the information they were seeking and people asking why are they acting in such a draconian fashion.

    This isn't simply about Gript, this is about how the state views it's citizens as a whole, and in a world where people are being sent to prison for saying things online while violent crime and mindless murder gathers apace on our streets people have the right to ask what the priorities of our governments actually are.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,987 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    They were investigating a pretty serious crime, where by some people who I would view as being guilty of instigation and promotion of illegal behaviour has details requested from X as part of their investigation. Warrants are always broad for this reason but they cannot use things that are not related to what they are investigating (Fruit of the poisonous tree). A friend watched the video and said that other than a court letter (which was hard to authenticate, maybe someone here has), there seems to be no proof that X contacted Gript, that they refused to provide such information. It looks more like, that if true, the Gardai simply did not do anything as it wasn't needed in the end. X would not have the ability to refuse to act on a warrant if provided.

    But listen, you take someone who in the last few months was commenting on AI generated imagery as factual at their word, and I will act in accordance with what their prior actions implicate. What little truth (and I haven't seen any) is in their story has worn out its believability due to "the boy who cried wolf" behaviour.

    Also, there are lots of people in this world I do not care for, but I would not deny their right to due process or to have their word, provided said word is truthful, and if not truthful, not used to incite hatred or lead others away from the truth. I feel more sorry for those who take Gript at face value, rather than the more pinch of truth with egregious clickbait for money.



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