Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Nothing to see here,just grubby little men doing grubby little deals.

Macron should start a non EU Ukraine alliance to avoid Orban etc. France, UK, Baltic States etc. Then Zelenski offers them the minerals instead of Trump.

Nothing we all don’t know. Trump is a paid up Russian asset.

Seems like there is nothing anyone can do though?

Macron is all talk. He could of supplied Rafales but instead provided useless Mirages to go along with the equally useless block 30 F16.

He calls an emergency meeting and the outcome of it is another meeting. Typical European nonsense.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes another shot at Trump the next time and doesn't miss as he's racking up serious enmity from everyone over his degenerate behaviour though odd's are higher the reaper will end up doing a drive by to collect after one too many hamburgers. That or the ol' Dementia really starts digging into his orange addled brain to the point the Republicans can't use him anymore and have to "retire" him to the old folks home. This just isn't about the amount of bullshit either he's been doing he's attacking allies, sucking up to Putin, a degenerate monster who unleased the worst land war in 80 years in Europe over his vainglorious delusions of rebuilding the USSR, enabled a South African Snowflake to get away with the biggest data heist in US history all while peddling weapons grade bullshít on the internet all at the most unstable time in history in over 50 years.

Russia has always been a threat to it's neighbours and history has proven the Baltics and Poland completely right for their decisions to join NATO after the fall of the USSR and push for rearmament. Can't blame Western European nations for being hesitant, after the best part of a century of 2 world wars and the cold war many wanted to concentrate on more peaceful issues but the simple fact is Russia will never go away as a threat unless it's forced to reap what it sows, collapsing the country economically and militarily is realistically the only way this can end without it spiralling into a Third World War despite the fallout as you cannot negotiate in good faith with degenerate, lying bastards like Putin they don't respect anyone else only the threat of a boot to their face.

Trump won't get very far with his "talks" with Russia, he cannot force Ukraine to surrender on unrealistic terms and unlike Czechoslovakia in the 30's, Ukraine has the support of the vast majority of Europe minus that Toad Orban in Hungary who's increasingly at risk of losing power to a far more organised opposition and Fico in Slovakia who could likely end up back at the polls soon as his government is increasingly on the verge of collapse. If Trump tries removing sanctions he'll likely be unable to at any level where there's joint agreement with other countries required and a serious risk of a backlash from other countries if he tries doing it alone risking possible retaliation from Europe as well as other countries. The worst he can do is stop military aid but if that's already been paid for even more so other's are buying US arms he's less likely to stop something that's actually making money lest it come back to bite his own party in the ass.

We all knew Trump would appease Putin. I'm more disappointed with Europe not having Ukraines back. Surely they can step up support and sanctions and Ukraine can continue depleting the f**k out of Russia?

European Nations don't want to get dragged in but they're not fools, this is the best and only time they'll have to stop Putin and his orcish horde. He's weaker at any time in the past as most of their Soviet Legacy is scrap in the Ukrainian country side and his military are down to using loaf vans to attack. He has an extremely limited amount of competent troops remaining which would get wrecked if NATO got involved and besides if Ukraine falls that army Putin has built up won't be disbanded, he can't because the economic and societal implosion that would follow would end his rule with him going out the window. He'll go for the Baltics next or Poland and then Europe gets dragged into a conflict regardless. European Nations might hesitate but if push comes to shove the only choice will be to engage the Vatnik fúckers in Ukraine before they overrun it and if they do the biggest unknown is if Putin would be stupid enough to use a Nuke something which WOULD trigger a Third World War anyways.

Sweden and Finland will have a piece of that too. Poland would want to get their thumb out of their ass. Tusk pretending he can cover his eyes and it'll all go away is niave in the extreme.

The EU has the economic capacity to keep Ukraine going even if the USA goes back on its commitment to protecting Ukraine after they gave up their soviet era nuclear weapons.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47347

Ukraine has the experience in fighting putin's terrorists that the EU needs to secure its borders and continue the economic stability in Europe that has seen the area thrive as an economic force. Those borders will include Ukraine no mater what the orange s**m**g says. Its a lot easier for the EU to send Euros than soldiers and they have already started the ramp up of arms production in EU countries and in Ukraine itself.

Not sure how accurate this is but knowing that shyster Trump and his relationship with Putin, it sounds quite plausible:

This kind of sycophant, idolising, of Trump would make your skin crawl.

When the helicoptor collided with the plane in Washington a few days ago, the press conference afterwards was stomach churning. The heads of the Transport dept. (Sean Duffy) and the Pentagon (Pete Hegesth) were almost trying to out-do each other in their efforts of how fawning they could each be, both immediately telling everyone how great Trump is, and how lucky the country was to have him in charge at such a time. Hardly a mention of the poor people killed, just how great Trump is, and how DEI was the real culprit (for that incident and far more).

Really, the more you hear from anyone close to Trump, the more it sounds like he's running an actual cult instead of an administration.

Pretty disgusting statement that.

How to stop a war, give up your land when invaded🤯

Hah that's not a deal thats a capitulation and not going to happen.

Ukraine will never give up on getting their territory back and Russia will be frozen out of the global economy and be China's Bitch so long as they refuse to return it.

No NATO Membership? If no NATO the next step is Ukraine restores their Nuclear Weapons, I guarantee you that if it's a choice between Ukraine in NATO or Ukraine with Nuclear Weapons pointed at Moscow then the 1st option is the cheapest and safest option for everyone.

No US soldiers? No Problem they got probably the most battle experienced army in Europe and likely others will join them in any sort of armistice as a guarantee that future hostilities wont happen. That could easily change if Trumpy pisses off enough people and bar any shenanigans the Republicans get turfed out next cycle. Also the minsk fiascos ensure that an armed deterrent is the only option to prevent Putin coming back to get slapped even harder.

As for the US withdrawing troops this would likely cause some serious drama at home as there's still plenty there who will call Trump out as a weak pathetic surrender pussy for capitulating to a weak Russia.

And Sanction relief: not happening so long as everything is not solely under their control and would likely trigger massive diplomatic and economic retaliations on Trump if he does. He's already doing damage to the US's reputation as a reliable partner and would actively harm his own country by doing so.

Please Europe save us.

A very nice hit