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Meanwhile on the Roads...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i thought it was one of the coppers investigating ones of the messy scenes arnie left behind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭Michelin


    This is shocking…its a war on the roads. Motorists v Cyclists and motorists are winning by the looks of it. that road is full of motorised vehicles, no cycle path, road takes you on to a very dangerous stretch of dual carriageway…only alternative to going south is through the hostile Bray main street….and then after all that your faced with that level of aggression just to ride your bike….what ever lead up to it…it doesnt take much for a motorist to get angry. Getting on your bike and going anywhere has become a very dangerous thing a person can choose to do…



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Have to say, after years of cycling in Ireland, it is now my opinion that the worst place to cycle in Ireland is Clane in Kildare. In a 3 km stretch, multiple overtakes on blind bends, close passes. On the return journey, getting intentionally buzzed by an Isuzu, hand on the horn the whole time for what was by my count, a 4 second delay if they had stayed behind until the road straightened up. Passed me with roughly 5cm to spare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,902 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,657 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Yup, Galway city has the be the single worst location in the country for a cyclist to go about their business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,678 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Just writing this here in case the person I'm talking about is a fellow poster…

    If you are a middle aged male cyclist clad head to toe in cycling gear and go at crazy speed up Nassau street towards Merrion Square in the mornings between 08:30am and 08:45am - slow the **** down!

    I've seen you twice now, you're an absolute lunatic.

    I'm cycling along the cycle track at a decent speed, he undertakes me at a crazy speed, swerves back in front of me, then swerves around another cyclist who was ahead of me, before proceeding to break the red lights at the top of Nassau street, almost running down pedestrians.

    He's then (absolutely laughably) yelling back abuse at the cyclist he swerved around and when approaching the next set of red lights at Merrion square, blazes through them too at speed (again, almost running down a lot of pedestrians) and nearly gets hit by a white car turning out (whom he also proceeds to hurl abuse at, while again, completely and utterly being in the wrong himself)

    I saw him tearing through the same set of lights last week on red when there were pedestrians crossing, they actually had to jump back.

    Worst cyclist I've ever seen.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It won't be anyone around here, such behaviour is abhorrent. If you are going faster than the cyclist in front of you, you move out to overtake or you wait behind. They will get their comeuppance eventually, the odds are not in their favour, whether that is losing control of themselves, the situation or they come up against a person who is less tolerant and willing to express that lack of tolerance.

    People are d*cks, you can call them out on it if comfortable but if not, rest assured, eventually someone will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Anyone see any difference between these two incidents, apart from in one the poor child was killed?

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41576716.html

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41571811.html



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Solicitor used language that hid the poor driving to someone not paying enough attention. The use of "just turned red" makes it appear as if he was mid way through when it happened. This of course is misleading for two reasons, one the child was on the junction so had turned already and two, ignores that he ignored the amber which would have been visible before this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The difference I see is car vs pick up truck, injury vs death.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i see the RSA have still not updated the ROTR on their website, despite all the publicity about the change to the default L road limit:

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    speaking of the ROTR, it suggests you need to signal even when just moving out of secondary position into primary position.

    or as they call it, 'a more primary position' in the centre of the lane. no mention of using the right side of the lane.

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    and the next bullet point states you should keep left anyway.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Seems like identical actions on the driver's part though? Just shows chance outcome plays a big part in sentencing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The judge in the pickup truck incident made the point that if you're going to drive one of those tanks around, you have a particular obligation to be careful about the impacts on others, so maybe it's that failure that resulted in the prison sentance.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Again, the description of the situation by the solicitor and gardai. The truck ran a red, the car went through a light that turned red as they were crossing. We all know that technically, they both ran through lights they shouldn't have but language matters and the former sounds worse to a judge than the latter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Any why is it taking nearly 3 years for these cases to go through the legal system? Is it completely and utterly broken with endless deferrals and postponements. The hackney case occurred on 13-Apr-2022 and was sentenced on 17-Feb-2025. It's an inordinately long time for a relatively simple case but what would have happened if the investigating garda or anyone else involved had retired, emigrated, died etc in the interim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I had a much, much simpler case of careless driving due from November 2022, due to go to Court last month, until the Garda Inspector decided to drop the case. These kind of delays aren't unusual, unfortunately.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,110 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    was there a reason given?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yer man had a death in the family on the day before the incident.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Not to worry, sure it was just an "accident" according to Teresa Mannion on RTE, despite the other lad being on the wrong side of the road on a blind bend with a worn tyre.

    But sure, that could never happen again;

    https://www.reddit.com/r/irelandsshitedrivers/comments/1ispwkj/lachinch_taken_from_tiktok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,432 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Tbf he was involved in GAA which in this country means you're a saint



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Just no justice in life or from the courts. Why wasn't the guilty party killed at the scene and the innocent driver abiding by the rules of the road taken to hospital with "non-serious injuries"

    Saw the clip of the statement Conall Keating gave post verdict. Well worded and spoken in very difficult circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,121 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Gangland killings will be done by drivers in cars soon looking at sentences handed out. It’s an almost guaranteed way to get away with killing someone.

    Use a gun - life

    Use a car - suspended sentence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    All likelihood is the Defendant was on or distracted by his phone. I'd love to know the training and competency of the Garda examining phone.

    If Gardai involved aren't the best available then we need to outsource that to private sector. Phones collect all sorts of data, and the appropriate expert should be used to investigate that type of evidence.

    A young lad, who works from a good family, much like a young mother is going to get every chance going in this type of case. The case, in spite of families evidence, becomes all about the Defendant not the victim.

    Judges are used to sentencing members of our underclass and are going to be bias when confronted by a decent lad/woman even where they have killed someone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭p15574


    As they say in the article in the Mirror, "He [Harte] sent a message from his phone while driving at 15.33 p.m., the first 999 call call was 15.37"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Does a side number doing RSA ads as well - an expert on "accidents" now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I saw that.

    What reason did he give for losing control of car

    What was the last time he looked at his phone prior to collision?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,204 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That important detail was conveniently omitted from the RTE report.

    JFC, sending WhatsApps with a dodgy tyre, but it's just an accident.



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