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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,833 ✭✭✭circadian


    Musk didn't found Tesla, nor can that be used to counter-argue the fact that his behaviour largely has been, and continues to be, to the detriment of society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    He didn't invent it, he just made it attractive. The Nissan Leaf wasn't a great advertisement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Elon Musk did not found Telsa. Though to be fair he can be given credit for improving the reputation of EVs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That was always going to happen anyway though.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,910 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Musk is the founder of the greenest car manufacturer on the planet

    The cars they produce might be green but Tesla have a **** reputation for sustainable manufacturing. All those regulations Musk wants to get rid of, a lot of them will be environmental when they're not related to safety or workers rights. But the ultimate example of Musk not giving a flying **** about the environment is his pumping and dumping of bitcoin; a massive waste of energy for intanglible bullshit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,669 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    And how, exactly, does a private investor (and don't forget, that's all Musk has ever been: a funder, never a founder, engineer or inventor) who interferes in global politics make the world a better place? He, like almost billionaires, improves the planet best by departing it. Like the president he's "First Buddy" to, he's an idiot's idea of a genius and his popularity with some subcultures of unhappy young men says more about them than him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Looks like the Trial for Mangione is coming up this week and the prosecutors are rightly terrified of Jury selection as they are probably going to be asking members of the general public if they or anyone they know have ever had a bad experience with private healthcare that could bias them in this case….. they also only have a limited amount of juror challenges on selection, from a quick google it looks like its 3 in NYC.

    I think there's a high chance despite the evidence against him Mangione could easily go free, and personally I hope he does as I don't think there could be any better a wake up call for those in charge of the broken US healthcare system.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,296 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He isn't. Really basic thing to get wrong. Musk is just another billionaire parasite corrupting government to line his own pockets.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep pretending that Musk isn't a literal danger to democracy at this point is pretty naive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,246 ✭✭✭plodder


    I think there's a high chance despite the evidence against him Mangione could easily go free

    I wouldn't be so sure about that. A hung jury is the best he can hope for imo. And in that case, I can't see the authorities just letting him free. But it will be an interesting litmus test of public opinion there, either way. Hasn't he raised over 300K for his defence? He'll have the best defence that money can buy.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,024 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    probably going to be asking members of the general public if they or anyone they know have ever had a bad experience with private healthcare that could bias them in this case

    that could severely limit any jury pool in the USA !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Infini


    Not surprised when you think about it, a random person shoots a CEO of a Healthcare Insurer that has a notorious reputation for screwing people over and making every excuse to get out of their liabilities and they launch a massive manhunt, parade him around with a massive amount of officers in tow thinking this will intimidate other would be assassins to Luigi other kinds of CEOs and then are surprised when they find out nearly everyone agrees with the shooter and struggle to get unbiased jurors simply because healthcare has been allowed to inflate into a massive Ponzi scheme in the US with absurd health care costs for easily treatable conditions in nearly every other jurisdiction outside the US.

    They might less biased the case if they hadn't made such a spectacle of it but in trying to show "tough justice" on a shooter they ended up exposing the hypocrisy that rich con artist who are a victim of crime get a massive man hunt for the perpetrator while any normal person will get maybe a low key investigation and possibly forgotten about because they're not wealthy. Hell they threw terrorism charges in for good measure even though that would not stick as at most the charge of Murder would be enough. By going overkill they further expose the absurdity of their response and the justice system is being used as a tool to seek vengeance and stamp down on people rather than justice.

    Reports say he suffered from Lyme Disease and a back injury and if it turned out his health insurance refuse to pay out on treatment and left him to suffer then it makes for a compelling sympathetic argument of just why he would go so far as to shoot a CEO in the first place and thus why it would resonate with so many people, while murder is something that cannot be condoned neither should a system be allowed that rewards profits to a handful of people at the expense of others suffers and escapes their liabilities through legal excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Youtube threw up "Sicko", a movie by Michael Moore. I gave it a watch last night, it's 2 hrs long and I still have to watch the last 30 min or so. It’s from 2005, so not up to date, but it gave a very interesting perspective on US healthcare vs the rest of the Western world, and how the HMO thing came into being. As usual Moore lays it on a bit thick, but it's an easy enough watch.

    There's a nice contribution by Tony Benn, from the time when UK Labour cared about the working class.

    Two particularly shocking moments for me were around 28 min, where a woman was describing how her decision to deny care saved $0.5M but led to a death, and the bit around 1hr 25 where they were describing several occasions of private hospitals putting patients who couldn't pay into taxis and having them dumped onto the street. There was cctv footage of a woman in a hospital gown walking in the traffic - nobody stopped to help. The greatest country in the world.



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