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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Thanks for that.

    Pardon my innocence, but I've never heard of making yogurt milk - how do you make it?

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Keifer is even better. Make sure there is no antibiotic residue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Buy a tub in the supermarket throw it in and let nature take its course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭visatorro


    You've too much going on this spring. Keep it simple. Milk powder and mart!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭older by the day


    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/feeding-yoghurt-milk-good-calves/

    I find that article a bit complicated.

    Fill a 20l drum half full, throw in your natural yogurt/keifer/pro biotic (whichever) give it a good shake and bring it in home for the night.

    24 hrs later fire it in a barel/tank/ icf tank whatever and throw every drop of left over milk into it. When you have that full just take a few buckets out and that will start your new container.

    Keep things clean and no antibiotics. Give them a stirr every day. It will keep.

    You can mix it with a bit of fresh milk, when you are feeding it out and a drop of hot water.

    I'm still on a few barrels from the end of January. I had a small road tank as well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,489 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    We have full employment any lad not working at present dose not want to work. Any person working is probably using all there standard tax band. If you take on a second job you are paying over half in tax. For someone to earn 15/ hour, they need over 30 before tax.

    Better half is thinking of retiring from the fulltime gig. She was looking at maybe 1-2 days a week to keep the interaction going. At the standard rate of tax if she was paid 13.5/ hour she take home less than 10/ hour. A place she was looking at was offering 6 hour days. Allow a tenner a day for work expenses she have 45 euro.

    Those are the figures lads look at. No ody wants a part time gig on top of a fulltime one. Young lads can get 10-13.5/ hour in decent part time jobs

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Why waste it, he can't send milk in till after board bia. He's hardly going buying powder when there's buckets of milk around the yard. You don't have to be a pharmaceutical scientist to make it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭green daries


    Right that's all great and I'm sure it's important..... but it's not even a close relation to what I was talking about....…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,489 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You made a broad statement that nobody really wants to work or take responsibility. In what context. I took it in the context of the post you quoted, where the other poster complained about no day for the next 6-10 weeks.

    I made the assumption you post was on the inability to source farming labour especially part tine at present

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭green daries


    FFair Enough no I've no problems whatsoever with farm labour thank God 😊 I'm referring mostly to people in gainful employment being paid well for the privilege of turning up to work. A large cohort of these people do not and will not work or try to improve the position of their department , business,whatever they are working at. I have also found that it's the middle aged to older people who are the worst offenders. I don't know but **** me the country is gone soft as a whole as far as i can see. Back when I was working alongside farming there wasn't a notion of getting away with the stuff they are at now it's like it's a permanent work to rule setup...

    And don't get me started on taking responsibility on or admitting they made a mistake etc etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,869 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Sorry didn't realise he wasn't sending milk yet. I think he's still milking once a day so there wouldn't be that much milk left over if calves are still on site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Whays the minimum milk collection the lorry will collect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Lad here will collect 300 litres if you are rising supply. Close to drying off 600 is his cut off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    First collection here was 160 litres. Limit is 400 I think



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Was that Tirlan?

    I'll be phoning the supply manager today pushing him a bit on the 400 litres. It's a 3-day collection at the moment I think

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭straight


    I thought I had a tough night last night with calves popping everywhere including a breach. Things got alot worse this morning when AHI restricted my herd because of a calf that tested positive for BVD. Never had a positive here. I doubt this one is positive either. My whole herd has to be blooded/vaccinated. FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭Morris Moss


    Are you sure it's not just the calf that has to be tested, had a positive a good few years ago and was certain it was only him that was tested, came back as negative as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭straight


    Not Allowed retest anymore. I'm sure the calf is negative. I'm going to get my vet to blood him if I can just for myself. But I have to destroy that calf ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Siamsa, we are going to have to discuss the plan of going OAD for the year.

    I stood back last night, hoping someone would have spotted the comment and would have brought it up. I don't like being the bad guy all the time. B



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    This madness is a result of the Department going to soft handed at the start with fellas holding on to PI calves and nothing done about it. Now they gone the total opposite. Sorry to hear your in the situation Straight hope you get out soon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭davidk1394




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,396 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    You're grand - don't ever worry about being the bad guy where I'm concerned!

    OAD is a half idea I have. It's not decided yet. It suits at the moment as I'm not putting milk in the tank and the parlour isn't finished so milking 22 heifers is taking nearly an hour-and-a-half.

    I like the idea of OAD (I'm assuming everyone does!) but the downside is less milk in the tank.

    Edit to say:

    • I'll be milking 32 this year (28 heifers + 4 yet-to-be-bought cows)
    • All calves will be sold
    • I'll be working 20 hours/week at the off-farm job
    • Plan to milk 50-ish next year when 40 acres leased out reverts to me and 60-70 in 2027

    Any advice one way or the other? And don't worry about insulting me 😂

    Post edited by Siamsa Sessions on

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    There was a thread on here last year about dodgy retesting of bvd positive animals by a well known herd in my area. That's probably why retesting cant be done now. Assholes ruining it for everyone else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Don't make any rash decisions just yet. You'll soon have the heifers trained and the parlour finished plus stock grazing. Then milking will be an hour including bringing them in and out.

    Is the twenty hours split over 5 days and is it flexible? If so you'll be fine tad. This is the worst time of it by far. I'm a couple of months this will only be a memory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    I'll be honest having milked OAD for 5 or possibly 6 seasons now brain fog is setting in and I cant actually remember, anyway heifers are probably the biggest drag on the system mine will average about 3000-3500 litres, bad ones at the start milked less than 2500 litres. I'd say by looking at YouTube your breeding is similar to mine. Others will tell you what heifers will average for the year twice a day. Easy work the figures back from that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭yewdairy


    Sorry to hear that, it's some dose especially as it's due to the department not going after lads keeping pi at the start of the program.

    If you aren't vaccinating the blood is could show up a few more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭straight


    The compensation is 150 euro or something for a pedigree registered fr heifer with an ebi of 300ish. I'd get over that but I'm convinced it's a false positive. I asked my vet to blood test the PI before slaughter. Might get a button tag and send it away again too. It might not make a difference but it will confirm what I think.

    There was some mix up in the lab anyway because only 5 of 20 samples came back negative in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,489 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have worked in different companies and different sectors of those companies. If by the time you are middled aged if you do not know the system forget a put it. Small employers expect more but government less discretion to employees.

    A goid manager makes a big difference. However they are only 50/50 in most organisations. I found good and bad workers everywhere. I always did my work but neither was I stupid running around like a blue ass fly if there was no need. I found lads that were good workers were the best managers and lads that were dogers when working the worst managers as they taught everyone was at the same sh!t as them.

    I woukd not say the country has gone soft rather you have people employed now that ate the scraping of the barrell

    Youngest came put of college about 4 years ago started in sh!t money in an investment bank in Dublin. He automated the area he was in, they were employing lads in there 30's who were doing nothing for them but watching the clock. He looked for a raise and was told he was greedy. He had another job lined up bit manager said they look after him and then f@@ked him over after the jib was gone. He handed in his notice a d went travelling for a year.

    He Is now over in Londan earning 2.5 times what he left the orginal employer and says it an easier more defined job

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,489 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Too much f@@king around at the earlier stages especially by suckler farmers. Testing different calves the second time so as to hold onto an infected one. It's nearly completely wiped out sothey are being harsh admittedly but at the end of it we are in a much better place now than ten years ago.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭straight


    Ya, I know. I was one of the guys that always did the right thing though. Not one of those messers. This is a false positive. I'd put money on it. The lab messed up.

    I don't know how long it will take to get out of this or what I will end up doing with the calves. They are saying 6 weeks but that's a best case scenario I think. I could end up leaving alot of my beef calves in a slatted unit for most of the year maybe.



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