Trump - The positives - (see Mod note in OP)

itsacoolday · 16-02-2025 07:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123177158#Comment_123177158

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/make-doonbeg-great-again-co-clare-welcomes-donald-trump-1.3909636

Everyone knows Trump owns a large hotel and golf course in Co. Clare, employing hundreds. Plus other spin off jobs. It is a positive thing about Trump for this country, the point of this thread.

You may wish he does not provide those jobs here but that does not mean they do not exist. Of course they do.

Boggles · 16-02-2025 08:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123178212#Comment_123178212

If Trump didn't own it someone else would.

You make it sound like he is running a registered charity that is not for profit.

Seth Brundle · 16-02-2025 08:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123176662#Comment_123176662

I do not care how many he employed during 2020/2021 during covid.

So (despite staff being furloughed when closed but getting paid when it reopened during that period) you provide an unsubstantiated figure from an older article.

Have you an up-to-date figure?

reclose · 16-02-2025 09:56PM

The thread title is Trump positives.
A poster thinks that Trump owning a hotel that employs people is a positive. What’s wrong with that?

Why are moderators harassing him to provide links?

The poster who said Trump is losing money wasn’t asked to provide links.

Glenomra · 16-02-2025 10:08PM

as a Clareman I must say that it's hugely positive the fact that Trump is operating a very well-regarded hotel in the county. Every fellow Clare person that I know certainly thinks that it is a positive.

dulpit · 17-02-2025 12:16AM

Any other positives about Trump as president though? And not just as a hotel owner?

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 03:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179299#Comment_123179299

He is straight talking and told the rest of the NATO countries they need to step up to the plate and not expecting the USA to be funding a dis-proportionate part of NATO. As someone else said, it is not that Europe lacks the resources to protect itself without US assistance. Russia’s population is about 144 million. The total population of Nato countries, excluding the US, is over 636 million and their combined economic power is about 12 times that of Russia.

If every European NATO-member spent as much as Poland on its military (4,7%), then a Russian military offensive against any NATO member would be doomed to fail.

Trump is forcing Europe to look at its own defense. Poland knows if Ukraine falls to Russia, it may be the next domino.

Trump has some faults, as has everyone, but this thread is about his positives. Maybe it is positive he is getting us to think about defense, immigration etc. ?

Peregrinus · 17-02-2025 05:08AM

I'm just noting the word "immigration" tacked on to the end of that post, apparently at random. Nothing else in the post up to this point has any relevance at all to immigration. Nothing in Trump's position on or attitude to immigration could remotely be described as a "positive", and atttempting to sneak the issue in like this kind of of lets the post down.

The main point is a good one. It's clear now that the US is not a dependable ally, and not a country whose word is worth very much. We could see it as a negative that Trump has so rapidly and thoroughly trashed an international standing that took decades to build up, or as a positive that he has done this so openly, transparently and irrefutably that we are under no illusions about the new reality.

Mellor · 17-02-2025 05:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123176662#Comment_123176662

Employment related to tourism is obviously important. It sustains a lot of people. People denying that are being silly.

But you putting quite a silly spin on things.

Trump didn't create 300 jobs, they already existed. Keeping them is positive, but vastly different to creation of new jobs.
He has invested millions in the hotel, he also takes millions out out of the hotel (and the country) as profit. A bit bias to value one and not the other.
Most importantly. Trump the businessman in a bought the hotel. It has nothing to do with his role as president. had he not been elected with any of his three attempts he's still one a hotel in Clare.

ancapailldorcha · 17-02-2025 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179299#Comment_123179299

Nobody's been able to give a positive fact about him being a hotel owner.

Seth Brundle · 17-02-2025 10:02AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123178825#Comment_123178825

the poster made various unsubstantiated claims which were questioned. Nothing to do with bias!

Mod: do not derail the thread discussing moderation as per the rules! Several posts deleted

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179589#Comment_123179589

Rubbish. He invested in this country. The deal was reported to be worth 14 million and he put more millions in to the development after that. The hotel was loss making at one stage, not sure if it still is or not, but he kept it going. There are hundreds of people employed there and plenty more who benefit from spin offs eg supplying the hotel and golf course.

Rocket_GD · 17-02-2025 11:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179912#Comment_123179912

Just supply some evidence/sources to back up all these claims there good man.

ancapailldorcha · 17-02-2025 11:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179912#Comment_123179912

You keep spouting nonsense. I'm not going to engage further. An apocryphal slew of seasonal, minimum wage jobs that would be there regardless of who owns Doonbeg is nothing to get excited about.

Seth Brundle · 17-02-2025 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179514#Comment_123179514

Maybe it is positive he is getting us to think about defense, immigration etc. ?

Trump isn't trying to control the US defence spend or do anything that benefits those in other countries. He most definitley isn't doing this to get European countries to agree defence and immigration plans. He, along with Putin, are attempting to destabilise the existing unity across Europe.

The figures spent by the US on NATO over the years were a deliberate investment on its part in order to protect US interests, notably against Russia. Trump does not care about Ukraine - sure he has effectively offered it to Putin.

Trump pulling investment in NATO was nothing but a self-serving act with no absolutely positive benefits to anyone but himself & Putin.

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123179937#Comment_123179937

I did. For example, see the link in my post yesterday at 6.14 p.m. Read the thread properly, good man.

dulpit · 17-02-2025 11:58AM

Can somebody help me with some genuine queries I have about Trump's perceived positives please?

What is the perceived positive, and why are his supporters happy about, adding all of these tariffs? What is the expected outcome of adding tariffs that will be a net good for the USA?
What is the perceived positive of shutting down government spending on all of the things like USAID, Medicare, etc? Is it simply that people can pay less tax and have less services from government and they're happy with this?
Does anybody think that having somebody like Elon Musk involved in the running of so many decisions is a good thing? I know people here occasionally like to joke about getting Michael O'Leary in to fix the government, but it would simply not fly that he would be able to do anything if he hadn't first gotten himself elected. Why do Trump supporters see this as a positive?

By Trump supporters I mean the wider millions who voted for him, not the cabal around him who have obvious interests in what he's doing ($$$).

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180033#Comment_123180033

Rubbish. From the Berlin airlift on, the US has acted as a supporter of Europe against Russia. As NATOs biggest contributer, they along with UK put forces in Germany during the cold war for example to help deter Russian aggression.

Ask the Polish do they appreciate America's contribution towards NATO.

ancapailldorcha · 17-02-2025 12:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180100#Comment_123180100

They don't know how tariffs work. They think that they'll protect domestic industry and jobs but all they really do is protect favoured industries which are usually uncompetitive and inefficient by making the end consumer pay more. In a globalised world, tariffs cut both ways as well. Trump supporters probably think that Trump can force his and their worldview on other countries by using tariffs. This is unlikely.
Cutting waste. The real purpose is tax cuts for corporations and billionaires.
Yes. A lot of people do. Musk is a greedy piglet suckling on the taxpayers' teat. They think Musk is some kind of super businessman but if that was true, it would only make things worse. Musk wants what's best for Musk. That's it.

Seth Brundle · 17-02-2025 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180107#Comment_123180107

I'm not sure what you are rubbishing. The US benefitted from its NATO financing - I did not suggest otherwise (I even said it was done to protect US interests from Russia).
Now however, the US via Trump is attempting to destabilise European unity. Do you dispute this?
Do you dispute that the US (i.e. Trump) is looking to benefit from exploiting Ukraine and that the "peace negotiations" which have to a certain extent excluded Ukraine?

Trump is not trying to get us to think about defence or immigration, as you suggested. He is looking to exploit and damage.
So is any of that a positive?

Rocket_GD · 17-02-2025 12:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180035#Comment_123180035

One pre COVID piece from 2019 (6 years ago) gives absolutely no details of the amount that he has invested, taken for profit or the number of jobs currently.

The piece is also widely biased with everyone interviewed seemingly worshipping your mighty overlord.

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 02:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180177#Comment_123180177

Nobody was worshipping him or calling him a mighty overlord. The link showed he invested I think it was 14 million in the hotel, and millions more since improving it of course and adding to the golf course etc. About 300 jobs during high season, with many more spin off jobs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/11/06/no-celebrations-at-doonbeg-in-clare-but-quiet-satisfaction-aplenty-over-major-employer-trumps-result/

A more positive thing and investment in Ireland than embarrislngly calling a takeaway plaza after Obama ( which Obama did not pay for) or painting a mural on a wall in Ballina ( which Biden did not pay for). Everyone in Co. Clare I know is appreciative of his investment there, even if they do not agree with his politics.

Igotadose · 17-02-2025 03:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123180658#Comment_123180658

O.K., that was what, 11 years ago? What's he done since being elected? What's he done since being elected the first time? Trump bought the course before he was President, but I don't think that was the point of the original question - what's he done as POTUS that's arguably positive? Obama and Biden didn't have honoraria provided to them by Ireland before they were Presidents. Apples and apples.

And, the links to 'how bad Trump will be for Ireland' in that article you posted are pretty telling.

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123181049#Comment_123181049

The link was from last year, 2024, not 11 years ago. Trump supported the losses that his hotel here made in some of those years since then. It is profitable now, after a lot of work and investment.

The OP asked what tangible benefits Trump brought to some people's lives and was looking for anything positive.

There are hundreds of people in Co. Clare who are employed by Trump's business there, and more who benefit in spin off jobs. That all has to be positive. Between vat, income tax, corporation tax, excise duties etc his business is also almost certainly ontributing quite a bit to the government too. Quite a sizeable employer by West of Ireland standards, not to be sneezed at.

Seth Brundle · 17-02-2025 05:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123181230#Comment_123181230

ok folks we've done the hotel which is a positive aspect for the people in Clare (despite Trump previously mocking the business). Just to pick up on one line you wrote…

The OP asked what tangible benefits Trump brought to some people's lives and was looking for anything positive.

The OP asked the question in relation to the vote and his second term as President. His trust's ownership of the hotel would exist regardless of his Presidency.

So let's get the thread back on topic!

itsacoolday · 17-02-2025 05:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123181332#Comment_123181332

Show the link to where Trump mocked his business.

Economics101 · 17-02-2025 05:25PM

Using Trump's investment in Doonbeg as a positive indicator (for anywhere other than the immediate neighbourhood of Doonbeg) is a bit like saying that Adolf Hitler was good for Munich because he built some fine roads in Bavaria.