Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Whoa there horsey. Let's stick with the IRA. Many people regarded them as freedom fighters. Did you at the time?

After that you can find the post where I support or apologise for Hamas. A single post will do sunshine. I abhor violence and terrorism.

I've already answered this. I did not, then or now.

For the record, only a very few percentage of the population ever regarded them as freedom fighters, and the election percentages during that time prove it.

You claim to abhor violence, but expressed concern that Hamas fighters couldn't just surrender in order to end the war, a remarkable position for someone who abhors violence to take.

The Hannibal Directive serves to prevent Israelis being captured and taken hostage.

It's an order given to the front line combatants - essentially, kill anyone who will likely be captured, before they are captured.

It's a grotesque concept.

Why don't your let Marko defend his claim?

Where are your links? Are you getting your data from COGAT i.e. the Israeli ministry of Defence? 😂 Is that why you are shy on links? If so, you should spend some time in the real world.

One thing that doesnt make sense is why there are no calls to return Gaza to Egypt. Gaza was part of Egypt until it was occupied by Israel in 1967. Surely it returns to Egypt when the Israelis leave?

The idea that it becomes part of Palestine is akin to saying that if the Russian occupied parts of Ukraine are liberated...... they become part of.....eh..em...Moldova...rather than returning to Ukrainian control!

The Palestinians in the west bank having a State is a very different issue to the Gaza issue.

BTW I dont believe in creating two theocratic States - that will never work. Whatever number of States is the solution, they should all be peaceful secular democracies where everyones Rights are respected.

Any Israeli - civilian or IDF - that could be captured in a conflict.

The Hannibal Directive authorises their killing (murder).

Yet again!

It was not a Lancet article.

It was a letter published in the letters section of the Lancet.

The fact that you're still referring to it as an article says it all.

I provided you with evidence. You choose to ignore it because you simply prefer the lie.

Here's another Professor cutting it to shreds.

The projection of 186,000 total deaths, which comes from multiplying direct (violent) deaths reported by the Gazan Ministry of Health (MoH) by five, lacks a solid foundation and is implausible.

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/a-critical-analysis-of-the-lancets-letter-counting-the-dead-in-gaza-difficult-but-essential-professor-mike-spagat-reviews-the-claim-the-total-gaza-death-toll-may-reach-upwards-of-186000/

Egypt ceded all rights to Gaza to the PLO in much the same way Jordan ceded all rights to the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem etc.

And Gallant (alleged War Criminal #2 - still on the run) confirmed the Hannibal Directive was implemented on Oct 7th.

I never said it was a peer reviewed article.

I said it was a Professor cutting their Methodology to shreds.

It is Theories which need to be peer reviewed.

That was a Professor and researcher of armed war and armed conflict peer reviewing the Lancet Letter, and concluding it was nonsense.

Did he say if caused any causilities, or even deaths, or how many?

I doubt Gallant said anything in case he incriminated himself and added to his long list of War Crimes.

But this report, based on the in-depth Haaretz report, goes one better - it quotes survivors and IDF personnel who were there.

an illegally occupied territory…

I dunno - most of the false narratives in this thread have been from those who try to justify the destruction of Gaza.

Off the top of my head, there was a cartoon posted outlining how the population in Gaza has actually grown, which was debunked as it was nonsense. There have been those who disputed the dropping of 2,000ibs bombs on refugee camps, which has been proven true. Recently, this Hannibal directive, which pages and pages back was called a conspiracy theory by the pro IDF crowd (I didn't even know what it was at the time), which has been proven true.

So I don't agree with you, plenty of false narratives here on the pro IDF side, so I don't think you are particularly even handed in determining which narrative is false or not, or at least extremely blind to much of the guff being posted here. Unless you are saying those false narratives were anti semetic?

The bulk of the antisemitism I see in this thread has been from posters who try to conflate the policies of Israel in this conflict as an all encompassing representation of Jewishness, and similarly, legitimate criticism of Israel as being inherently antisemetic, which is incorrectly representing the Jewish people as a hive mind who all stand behind this brutality.

If people standing behind this destruction stand with Jews, as I'm sure you think you do, surely you can see that the people opposed to it can equally claim to stand with Jews.

Your point about Hamas being equally responsible for all these deaths as the IDF holds v little water with me.

For example, Israel dropped 8(!) 2000 ibs bombs in Al Mawasi in Gaza, in order to kill that Deif Hamas commander guy. This was a tented refugee village they told people to go to after destroying their homes. These are devastating bombs, designed to be used in dense urban areas with 350m kill radius, dropped in open ground.

People were obliterated. The force of the bombs were so great that various limbs etc that remained intact were found buried underground. This is reported in the mainstream media btw. You may blame that Hamas commander for this, I blame the bastards willing to sacrifice every single civilian in that area in order to get that target. Most people do - Jewishness nothing to do with it.

As for your talk about Israel taking an equal number of lives as Hamas, I couldn't or wouldn't argue for that, but this has a ratio of in or around 95%:5%. That is astonishing and it's very hard to take that it can be explained by what you are saying above.

And you may say that you see all civilians as equal, but this is not evidenced in any of your posts that I have read. It's clear you see October 7th as the greatest travesty of this war - and all of the thousands and thousands of deaths since as a part of the legitimate response to this - your post above even alludes to this imo - and apologies if I took you up wrong.

Insane