Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

There is so much there that misrepresents what I actually said, but hey, if only I had a penny for every time that happened.

But the sense I get from your points are that the club won't sack Amorim because they know things were a mess. But that doesn't actually get to my original point at all.

I know the place is a mess, everybody does. I know Amorim has huge challenges ahead, and any other manager would also have huge challenges ahead. The players are weak, the structures have been poor, all of that is absolutely true.

But that does not change the key question here, namely, "Is this the right person for the job?".

We still have to ask that question. Bad as things are, sticking with the wrong person can still make things even worse again, so they have to be clear headed about who they give this rebuild too.

Pointing out all the challenges the manager will face does not tell us if he is the right person to be facing them. The only person who can do that is Amorim himself and that is all I have asked for from day one, for him to start showing something that gives some indication that he is the right person.

For example, the Rashford situation. I look at that and think "Yep, this guy gets it, that is the right way to do this". How he handled that gives me hope.

But I can't think of anything else that does, because his performances are crap and all his players are regressing.

So much that misrepresents what you said? Can you expand on that?

These are the things that relate to what you said:

1. I can understand your view that he should/could be sacked if things don't improve.

2. But I also disagree with your conclusion that only buying Dorgu in January means he is delighted with everyone else in the squad and doesn't actually want any new signings.

3. And maybe with the context Beradda and Wilcox have Amorim IS showing them something, anything, as you put it.

What do you feel is misrepresenting you?

Fair points but I'm not convinced Berrada/Wilcox are fixed to 3-4-3. I think they are wedded to the possession/positional/control style of football. It's hardly a surprise given they've come from City. In the event they do replace Amorim it'll be with a manager of a certain profile. If you listen to Ratcliffe interviews before he bought United it's very clear that he admired the Barca/Bayern/City way of doing things of the last 10-15 years and spoke about how Chelsea and United never got to that level. I think that's the broad vision they have that's set in stone and Amorim's 3-4-3 is just a theoretical variation of it. The whole purpose of creating a proper football structure with best in class people upstairs was to have a long term vision and not put all our eggs in one basket for whichever manager is currently employed.

Not a big deal when you hear the whole story,Amorim implied there was a bug or some illness in the squad and said a couple of players were called up to make up the numbers

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That is a fair view-point. Yep, could be the overall philosphy is set rather than a given implementation of formation within that general style.

In which case the club would need to be careful that the players they sign both work in the formation amorim is using, and are adaptable to a more 'normal' formation as well. Dorgu being a good example of that.

Anyone else see this beaut of a limited edition jersey?

https://www.adidas.ie/manchester-united-terrace-icons-jersey-gender-neutral/JF0386.html

Ordered mine last night, and hardly ever got authentic jerseys during the good ol days

Are you calling me a liar then? That I do actually believe the things I just said I didn't think?

What is your goal here?

You asked the question and I answered by literally saying in black and white what my opinion is, and still you seem to want to claim otherwise, sounds like misrepresentation to me?

If you want to say I am lying then just say it.

I don't believe I lied about you, or misrepresented your comment history - which is what you claimed.

If you say things differently, giving them a different slant or things that don't jive with what you have previously said that is fine. You can restate or change or contextualise what you have said. You can say you were being hyperbolic or flipant or extreme to make a point. But that doesn't mean I misrepresented what you previously said, when that context had not been provided.

You claim i siad your view was that Amorim should be sacked - but I didn't say you did. That was not the viewpoint I claimed. I said you thought he could/should be sacked if things don't improve. And I explained and showed where I took that understanding from. Someone said he won't make the summer if things don't improve and you agreed and said if people were rational they would see this.

You said you don't think people thinking differently on that topic are irrational… while saying that if fans were rational they would see your arguement makes sense.

You say you don't think Amorim is happy with the squad - but you had said the reason we didn't sign anyone in January was his decison and therefor he must be happy with them and think they can achieve his goals. Which is what I disagreed with.

Mcguire will feel hard done by looking at that goal ruled out but as the commentator said two hands on the back it's going to be a free out

It's like you're just hoping the performance won't be good and they don't get a result so that you can make more negative comments about Amorim.

Personally, I would hope for a good performance and result but wouldn't bet on it. Amorim alluding to some players being unavailable for United this weekend as well. Football is clearly not an exact science so we'll just have to wait and see. In the short term I wouldn't be confident against anyone United are playing.

I prefer to say my expectations before the game, too many people call it hindsight if you're critical after a defeat.

And it doesn't even make any sense to say that setting expectations means I want the performance to be bad. If the performance is shite I am going to say that, if the performance is good I will say that too, making a prediction changes **** all in that regard.

There is nothing wrong with stating what the expectations should be, more people should try it. Setting expectations encourages reflection.

And honestly, if we can't bet on a good performance on Sunday then when can we? Everything is lined up for one, Spurs are missing half their team for gods sake.

Spent the last half an hour trawling online and I can't see any reliable reports of Amad being injured, just lads on twitter getting worked up and re-tweeting each other. Where is it coming from?

All guess work. He could of meant the goalkeeping coach was injured and wouldn't be able fill Rashford spot.