Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Following on from 7558 when the three points are ‘pulled together and religion being core to the lives of the vast majority of the rural ‘poor’ - like it was in Ireland - you have a ‘ STRONG MAN’ as leader and he says that he will look after the population and keep them safe and not to be ‘ annoying the gov with its’ protests, etc. ye just stay at home and milk the cows, bake bread and raise your families - note that I might have to call on them to give me a hand from time to time against some of these aggressors!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone pointing out the weirdness of Vance's speech.

As Gardner put it, ignoring what's on everyone's mind, how will Trump end the war in Ukraine

If you want some substance Hegseths speech is more interesting

The rest of em are clowns

Martin today said it needs to be increased.

Can’t see that happening

It seems as crazy and away with the fairies as everything else coming out of the Trump admin. since he was inaugurated. Full of contradictions (central one is how do you generate this "allied strength" when the US runs away from problems it now wants no part of, or even chooses to knife its own allies? 🤔), and very depressing. If requisite strength to handle Putin & Russia and secure Ukraine is generated, the US will not be part of it, it seems.

European leaders do need to take on board the quite hostile message coming through very loudly. The NATO mutual insurance policy with the US is soon to be cancelled. You are on your own with your problems, such as the future of Ukraine, and we also…don't particularly like you and what you people stand for or wish good things for you any longer…But do buy our shiny made in USA weapons, like good boys in class Poland!

They (European leaders listening to it) need to focus on their own houses so they can stand up for themselves when this US hostility moves on from words and speeches, and takes a more concrete form later.

Why in gods name anyone sane even wants to travel to that shithole while Putin is in charge

Good - find your voice Zelenskyy - you’ve one chance to make this work - hopefully Europe are behind you but I think they are.

“Zelenskyy tells Vance Ukraine needs ‘security guarantees’ before any Putin talks”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/14/zelenskyy-jd-vance-ukraine-security-guarantees-putin-talks

More psuedo intelligent nonsense.

No-one is claiming that Russia and its creaking army are going to overrun Europe.

The real danger Russia presents is clear from what it's doing in Ukraine - it's a botched invasion, the Russian armed forces have been shown up as a total joke relative to what everyone thought they were capable of, but they are a very dangerous joke that can cause a lot of death, destruction and misery.

Russia wouldn't last a week against NATO, even Putin knows this. I would say at this stage of the conflict the Polish army alone would probably completely gut Russia on the battlefield.

That doesn't mean Russia doesn't present a clear and dangerous threat with its warmongering and complete disregard for human life and the sovereignty of other countries.

North Korea would have less chance in a war against South Korea than a snowball would of surviving a night in a fire. That doesn't mean South Korea doesn't take the threat they post extremely seriously, as they should, nor that they don't believe North Korea is capable of inflicting a lot of damage.

Russia faltered badly against one of the poorest countries in Europe with a tiny military compared to its own even before western aid arrived in meaningful quantities. Absolutely no-one thinks Russia could roll over Europe in any of 5,000 alternate realities.

That does not mean they shouldn't take Russia and Putin's warmongering, and meaningful rearmament, seriously.

Ukraine supports the Israeli genocide.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/19/palestinians-in-ukraine-decry-double-standard-as-kyiv-supports-israel

Ukraine has supported Israel throughout the latest conflict, upsetting Palestinians as war ravages Gaza

The USA supports Ukraine and Israel.

In that part of the world Ukraine supports the people of Syria that survived terrorism from putin, but you are unlikely to mention this as it would not suit your agenda.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/01/02/ukraine-to-further-support-syria-with-humanitarian-aid-says-zelenskyy

The deal for the valuable minerals , Gas and Oil is key, no way will Trump allow Putin to invade that land again, as it will be an US interest, if that deal is done.

No deal will be done unless Ukraine allows it.

For Trump to put pressure on the invaded to do a deal, or else, is not likely, it will be Putin do a deal, or we'll arm Ukraine to the teeth and let them kick you out

Certainly a bunch of cowboys ..

Zelensky needs to be realistic as well as the European poiliticians now. At the moment US has said no US security guarantees and yesterday the German defense minister Pistorius said "We must be clear that there is a significant gap in our deterrence capabilities. Without U.S. resources, we will not be able to provide security guarantees for Ukraine, at least in the near future."

Hesgeth repeated this in his other speech about the need to be realistic about the situation on the battlefield and it seems the US has come to terms and know this reality.

$300 billion of aid, tanks, missiles, F-16's everything has been tried and they are in a worse situation than before. Continuing will just prolong the conflict and result in a total collapse and chaos in the country.

It's somewhat telling that you seem to be actively opposed to basic security guarantees. I think most would say Zelensky absolutely needs to push for plenty of guarantees. Your immediate response is "that's too much".

I'd say it's pretty naive to assume the US aren't about to abandon Ukraine.

I think Trump announced his “get out of jail free” card at the start of these so called negotiations. He briefly looked at the situation and decided the shortest possible route for both sides to end the conflict - all of his announcements have been in Russias favour - all the land captured and no nato membership - he will walk away if Zelensky doesn’t settle blaming Ukraine and will wash his hands placing NATO countries under pressure.

America is now the tyrant - Europe’s has to reset and move forward without reliance on the US- maybe that’s not a bad thing as it will make Europe more resilient long term. I just think it’s incredible how a whole country can pivot so quickly but it’s a good history lesson if nothing else - we can’t take the EU for granted either- any number of EU countries could turn rogue over a period of just a few years