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So, if Ukraine (with financial backing) go to US arms makers with a fistful of dollars Trump will tell them to sling their hook?
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You are a brave man you are, you have had it now coming out with stuff like that.
BTW you forgot No NATO
If Macron is such a 'good political strategist' why has France lost so much of its traditional support in Nort Africa. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for France to replace the United States as the principal backer of Ukraine.
You are living in a fantasy land.
The EU is a joke of an organisation - it's is on borrowed time.
Europe cannot provide Ukraine with what they need. European leaders have said this, Zelensky has said this. Everyone outside of this thread knows it.
Without US support
No patriot missiles
No Nasams missiles
No himar rockets
Huge reduction in all calibre of ammo.
No spares for existing equipment from F16 to Bradleys to Hummers.
No starlink
No US satellites intelligence
No US enforcement of sanctions
And the other countless things that Europe cannot provide in the short term.
What a few of us here predicted a couple of years ago has come to pass. The battle of 'will' was won by Putin and the US has sold Ukraine out. All that is left to see is how many concessions Putin can manipulate out of the Orange donkey.
I would truly love if that was the case. Slava France!
Here's a thought: what if Zelenskyy turns around and offers all those rare earth mineral rights to the French instead, and Macron says yes?
Ukraine is already the number one user of Caesars, is France's newest customer for Mirages, they've put no restrictions on the use of Scalp or Hammer missiles, and it's largely French forensic teams that are gathering evidence of war crimes. France is the only ally ever to tell the Americans to GTFO of their country, and they didn't have to give up their nukes because of it.
As a French resident, I think Trump is doing us a favour: all the time he's creating a lot of noise, he's distracting everyone from the quiet negotiations.
The French themselves don't particularly like Macron (because he wants to make them less communist), but he's a damn good political strategist. I reckon he has his eye on those mineral deposits, and French boots are being polished right now, prior to being put on Ukrainian ground.
Whilst Ukraine was mounting it's counter-attack and pushing Russian forces back from Kyiv in 2022, you were sharing hour long videos from Putin apologist Gonzales and sharing over-the-top views that the world would starve because Russia controlled "half the world's food supply" and "90% of the world's material to make computer chips". Pro-Russian hysteria - we get it.
Back to reality, Ukraine is not about to "totally collapse", it's in a difficult situation, but so is Russia who can only grind forward in small increments.
The real concern is currently that the Trump entourage have no plan to end the war, which appears to be case. That they are simply making up things as they go along. The fear is that Trump, who admires Putin, will come up with a plan that screws over Ukraine and Europe in favour of a dictator who is attempting to invade Europe. I don't know where you are from, but last check Ireland is in Europe, and this affects us.
That said we're still waiting - Trump is erratic enough, and Ukraine is so exhausted with this Russian invasion, perhaps something will come out of this. The signs are currently not looking good.
He is just salty that only help Russian allies gave are donkeys (he still denies there are North Korean troops involved btw)
6 x F-16's and a division of tanks stretched over a huge front aren't going to win a war… only failure in all of this is that they weren't given more.
I think Trump announced his “get out of jail free” card at the start of these so called negotiations. He briefly looked at the situation and decided the shortest possible route for both sides to end the conflict - all of his announcements have been in Russias favour - all the land captured and no nato membership - he will walk away if Zelensky doesn’t settle blaming Ukraine and will wash his hands placing NATO countries under pressure.
America is now the tyrant - Europe’s has to reset and move forward without reliance on the US- maybe that’s not a bad thing as it will make Europe more resilient long term. I just think it’s incredible how a whole country can pivot so quickly but it’s a good history lesson if nothing else - we can’t take the EU for granted either- any number of EU countries could turn rogue over a period of just a few years
What a load of lies, "everything" has certainly not been tried…the US itself provided 0 aircraft, 0 cruise missiles, handful of tanks. Are you giving a dollar figure and talking about "fighter jets" to imply this $300bn was the US military aid? That is more like total of everything (US, EU and UK and others), incl. distinctly non military aid that keeps Ukraine's economy and society running.
It hasn't been a failure as Ukraine is still in better situation than in Feb./March of 2022, it has survived despite Russia throwing the kitchen sink at it, moving to a war economy, roping in allies themselves to help with the conquest.
Russia could not continue the war at this tempo without very significant aid, even extending to support troops to help (something Ukraine looks unlikely to ever receive).
You were boasting about recent steep slide of the rouble stopping.
I really wonder why that happened myself…a Russian policy change or have China done something hidden on the qt to shore it up? Is it internal "exuberance", with Trump coming to power + looking like he might do Putin a couple of favours (Russia still needs all the favours it can get). Could you enlighten us or provide some theories?
edit: Completely off topic and on less serious note, but I watched clip you posted. Something about Hegseth's suit and tie getup disturbs me, just too tight and too shiny, looks very uncomfortable…🤣
It's somewhat telling that you seem to be actively opposed to basic security guarantees. I think most would say Zelensky absolutely needs to push for plenty of guarantees. Your immediate response is "that's too much".
I'd say it's pretty naive to assume the US aren't about to abandon Ukraine.
“collapse of that country”, just to be clear THAT country is Russia, right?
As for the German comments, you know how international politics works, right?
Zelensky needs to be realistic as well as the European poiliticians now. At the moment US has said no US security guarantees and yesterday the German defense minister Pistorius said "We must be clear that there is a significant gap in our deterrence capabilities. Without U.S. resources, we will not be able to provide security guarantees for Ukraine, at least in the near future."
Hesgeth repeated this in his other speech about the need to be realistic about the situation on the battlefield and it seems the US has come to terms and know this reality.
$300 billion of aid, tanks, missiles, F-16's everything has been tried and they are in a worse situation than before. Continuing will just prolong the conflict and result in a total collapse and chaos in the country.
Remind me again what weapons the Germans won't let the Ukrainian armed forces use?
This idea that the European nations have given full and unconditional support to Ukraine is the big lie on display since Trump's announcements this week. They should have pushed Biden harder in the last 3 years when they had the opportunity, but with Trump, it was always going to end this way.
Certainly a bunch of cowboys ..
Honestly Trump and his friends will come in and try thinking they can solve this with "diplomacy" ie. try and convince Ukraine to surrender and reward the Vatnik Bastards. It's not likely to go anywhere just like Trumps little stint with North Korea as ultimately he's an incompetent idiot along with many of his sycophants. He's either going to find he'll have to either respond with increasing support for Ukraine if only not to look like a loser or Risk a massive Diplomatic blowback with Europe as a whole if he tries scaling down that support not to mention it would be remembered in Europe for a very long time.
The deal for the valuable minerals , Gas and Oil is key, no way will Trump allow Putin to invade that land again, as it will be an US interest, if that deal is done.
No deal will be done unless Ukraine allows it.
For Trump to put pressure on the invaded to do a deal, or else, is not likely, it will be Putin do a deal, or we'll arm Ukraine to the teeth and let them kick you out
The bottom line is the EU has the ability keep Ukraine going if they so please. And the states haven't pulled support and won't anytime soon.
In that part of the world Ukraine supports the people of Syria that survived terrorism from putin, but you are unlikely to mention this as it would not suit your agenda.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/01/02/ukraine-to-further-support-syria-with-humanitarian-aid-says-zelenskyy
Ukraine is supporting trumps Gaza riviera plan?
Or do you mean Ukraine supported one of their weapon suppliers as Ukraine defend themselves from russian incompetent aggression?
Ukraine supports the Israeli genocide.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/19/palestinians-in-ukraine-decry-double-standard-as-kyiv-supports-israel
Ukraine has supported Israel throughout the latest conflict, upsetting Palestinians as war ravages Gaza
The USA supports Ukraine and Israel.
It's kind of the litmus test if Putin is serious about a peace settlement, even on terms very favourable to him. If Putin seems willing to swallow a fairly subbstantial guarantee it will be a very good sign he is genuinely looking for an off-ramp…
More psuedo intelligent nonsense.
No-one is claiming that Russia and its creaking army are going to overrun Europe.
The real danger Russia presents is clear from what it's doing in Ukraine - it's a botched invasion, the Russian armed forces have been shown up as a total joke relative to what everyone thought they were capable of, but they are a very dangerous joke that can cause a lot of death, destruction and misery.
Russia wouldn't last a week against NATO, even Putin knows this. I would say at this stage of the conflict the Polish army alone would probably completely gut Russia on the battlefield.
That doesn't mean Russia doesn't present a clear and dangerous threat with its warmongering and complete disregard for human life and the sovereignty of other countries.
North Korea would have less chance in a war against South Korea than a snowball would of surviving a night in a fire. That doesn't mean South Korea doesn't take the threat they post extremely seriously, as they should, nor that they don't believe North Korea is capable of inflicting a lot of damage.
Russia faltered badly against one of the poorest countries in Europe with a tiny military compared to its own even before western aid arrived in meaningful quantities. Absolutely no-one thinks Russia could roll over Europe in any of 5,000 alternate realities.
That does not mean they shouldn't take Russia and Putin's warmongering, and meaningful rearmament, seriously.
Can anyone show me Americas condemnation of this drone attack on a nuclear reactor containment shield?
thought so.
Complete wank3rs America - grow a pair.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/14/russian-drone-detonates-on-chornobyl-nuclear-plant-containment-shell
Good - find your voice Zelenskyy - you’ve one chance to make this work - hopefully Europe are behind you but I think they are.
“Zelenskyy tells Vance Ukraine needs ‘security guarantees’ before any Putin talks”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/14/zelenskyy-jd-vance-ukraine-security-guarantees-putin-talks
Mentioned this before in other threads but the idea of Trump saying "all american companies are coming back" is not going to happen. At least the software ones anyway. There are so many reasons they continue to have a presence in Europe. I'm not saying they can't move to another country but the idea all the companies are going to up sticks and move back to the states is definitely not happening any time soon. That one you can bet on because if it does, it'll cost those companies money and ultimately those at the head of these companies are ultimately all about making money (as seen in the shameless pandering to Trump's whims)
Why in gods name anyone sane even wants to travel to that shithole while Putin is in charge
I say Trump could easily say we're bringing all the American companies back, Ireland you have been screwing us over. Maybe after Canada becomes the 51st state Ireland will become the 52nd state. Could be a painful visit by the taoiseach this time round.
It seems as crazy and away with the fairies as everything else coming out of the Trump admin. since he was inaugurated. Full of contradictions (central one is how do you generate this "allied strength" when the US runs away from problems it now wants no part of, or even chooses to knife its own allies? 🤔), and very depressing. If requisite strength to handle Putin & Russia and secure Ukraine is generated, the US will not be part of it, it seems.
European leaders do need to take on board the quite hostile message coming through very loudly. The NATO mutual insurance policy with the US is soon to be cancelled. You are on your own with your problems, such as the future of Ukraine, and we also…don't particularly like you and what you people stand for or wish good things for you any longer…But do buy our shiny made in USA weapons, like good boys in class Poland!
They (European leaders listening to it) need to focus on their own houses so they can stand up for themselves when this US hostility moves on from words and speeches, and takes a more concrete form later.
