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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Travel assist isn't an option when building on the website so assumed it had it. Doesn't look like there is blind spot monitoring on the cupra and it doesn't mention upgraded sound, neither an option as far as I can see.

    No piano black is a plus in the cupra.

    The seats do look sportier but I reckon I'd prefer the vw ones. Not much to go on there but I reckon vw ones are maybe better for normal driving and the cupra for pushing on around bends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    You'd be absolutely sick if you had the cupra delivered at the previous price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭KCross


    I doubt they sold any, hence the price drop!

    Travel assist isn't an option when building on the website so assumed it had it.

    That is interesting. It was selectable on the VW website previously but like you said its not a selectable option now. However, the latest brochure still has travel assist listed as optional under the "ASSISTANCE PACKAGE IQ.DRIVE" optional extra which is €1620



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    What does travel assist add on top of acc? I know it has lane change but I assume it does more?

    I spend most my time with acc on so it is important it as at least as good as tesla. Matrix lights less important but they really are nice to have.

    Only used a heads up display on a mazda a few years back for 20 minutes and didn't like it so not bothered about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭KCross


    There is lane assist and travel assist.

    lane assist will nudge you back into the lane if you cross the white line but you need to do all the steering.

    travel assist will keep you dead centre in the lane. its mainly for motorway driving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    So normal acc won't keep it centered in the lane on a motorway? Tried a Toyota version a good few years ago and you basically ping ponged between the lines. Could be a deal breaker if it's like that. Sh*t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭KCross


    ACC is where cruise control will speed up and slow down based on the car in front of you.

    Thats separate to lane assist and travel assist which are about where you are in the lane.

    As i said, lane assist (what the GTX has by default) will do the ping pong(its a safety feature rather than a comfort feature)…. you need travel assist to stay in the centre of the lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Liam2021


    Matrix lights are a massive step up on the basic lights.

    Difference in both cars is basically personal choice.

    In my case my ID3 GTX is more age appropriate.

    Cupra appears more suited to the younger boy racer. 🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Thanks for the explanation. That probably puts the cupra ahead for me since it's an option under 700 and it can't be optioned on the vw website. Can't go into detail but I need the config code as its not through a dealer.

    The iq lights not being on the cupra is a let down and the colours costing much more than the red in the vw is also annoying. Don't care about the hud tbh. Would need clarification on the audio as I really don't want standard audio.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Luna84
    Mentally Insane User


    Travel assist takes turns for you as well while on a motorway or road that has good road markings.(both centre and side)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭KCross


    it may not be on the configurator but I bet you can option it at the VW dealer as it is listed in the brochure and they’ll give you a code.

    Cupra does seem to have standard audio. There is an optional extra to get the better system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    You can get Travel Assist as an option on the GTX. Get the IQ Drive package. Also includes 360 Degree overview of car position when parking and Park Assist Plus. Though the price of it is €1,600 and change, you'll pay more than that because your VRT relief will be reduced for every euro over €40k.

    Lane assist isn't meant to be a form of primitive autopilot. It's a warning system, not an autonomous driving system. Travel Assist is Level 2 autonomous driving and, by all accounts, is better than Tesla autopilot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    That's a good point. If I drop the red and boot level thing that isn't even on the cupra as an option i can still get matrix lights and upgraded audio for around the same price.

    Now to choose a colour, ha. Black on black wheels might be good or silver.. too many decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭KCross


    I’d say sit in both cars at the dealer and decide which one floats your boat. Seeing and feeling them in person is important.

    The optional extras might be less of an issue then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I don't think that's too impressive to be honest, same as always, have to be plugged in at very low SOC to get decent charge power and that will depend on battery temp too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The id3 is quite refined at speed, no issue there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    "speed up and slow down based on the car in front of you"

    You'd be surprised at the amount of people that think that system can prevent a crash, if a car 2 in front jams on the braked and the car in front of you hits it then your car will go into the back of it because laws of physics apply, your car can't see the car in front, now add to that the amount of people who think these systems allow them to use mobile phones or play with the car's infotainment while driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Really have to thank you again for your input. I'd have been gutted if the car couldn't keep in the center of the lane, I had already sent the code thinking it was included. Luckily I have time to change it so will do so tomorrow. I drive about 80% on auto pilot these days and heard and seen examples of the vw version being better. I'd have lost my mind pinging between the lines.

    The lights, metallic paint and upgraded audio mean it's a no brainer for me tbh. Don't even want to try the cupra in case I like it on initial impressions, things i value in everyday usage are most important. I agree with the poster above that the cupra is a bit too boy racey looking also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


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    Travel assist will keep you in lane but these systems are seriously effected by road glare and very heavy surface water and can in an instant loose control. Even direct low sun can effect it's performance which is why you have to stay alert and not get too relaxed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    I'd imagine the set distance is a huge factor in this. In the closer ones no chance but I will often set it to the higher ones and I'm pretty sure it could emergency stop if the car in front went to zero immediately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    set distance will give your car more time to react, same with a Human, the only issue is that the distance has to be set pretty far for a N7 type commute where the traffic is constantly from 100-0-80-0-60-0 etc. Then the problem arises where people behind think you're holding up the whole N7 because you leave 2-3+ car spaces and want to jump in ahead of you.

    I had some sh*1t your jocks moments with the id3 and travel assist, while they're good to have you'd be surprised how many people believe they allow a diver to have some screen time but there are times it scared the hell out of me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    You need to figure these things out over time in my experience. I will use auto pilot on any motorway with some confidence. On a roads only if I've tried it a number times on the same part of road. I had a rental ds4 in the summer and didn't have time to get used to it so turned it off 5 minutes after putting it on. After reading this thread it probably didn't have lane centering. I thought that was a standard thing these days.

    Paying attention is a must regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    VW Travel Assist (unlike Tesla autopilot) uses radar for ACC, Emergency Braking and collision warnings. It's not affected by glare, wet roads, fog, surface water. It also uses a camera for lane keeping, sign recognition and identifying pedestrians/cyclists.

    I'm not saying one should just relax or close your eyes while driving, but I don't think the scenarios you've highlighted are of much concern in these cars. In a newer Tesla, which uses only cameras, they would be more of a concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Well, one thing for sure, these systems are driver aids only, they will not prevent accidents if a car locks up in front or two cars up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    That's fair. I only set distance higher when I'm in the left lane. Always close in the right lane. Most of the time I'm in the left lane.

    I am also an n7 head for my sins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Have the upgraded travel assist since 2021 ? because my car with travel assist was definitely effected with road glare and low sun and surface water , this was for the lane keep assist thing but adaptive cruise won't prevent any accident if the car in front stops too fast. Laws of physics, depends on distance set of course and that's fine for light traffic but for commuter traffic leaving big gap only p1ssed people off and they want to get in ahead of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    Lane keeping, as I mentioned, relies on cameras. So, yes, it might well be affected by poor visibility, glare, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Oh it sure is effected by all that, the ACC had my dash light up red for me to take over because it detected an imminent rear end collision.

    It was grand on an open motorway but on highly congested commutes it was a bloody pain in the ass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Go sit in any ICE VW with start/stop and have two cars in front of you at a red light. ACC restarts the engine when the car two cars ahead of you moves, it absolutely can see ahead of the car in front. It might not be able to see a second car at 120kph speeds but it doesn't need to when it reacts quicker than you can.

    In terms of preventing a collision, ACC absolutely will. VW didn't pull a fast one with Euro NCAP and give everyone else inferior parts. When you're driving with or without ACC and you hear the collision detection beep if you don't take action the car will. ACC has been around since the Mk7 Golf. It reacts quicker than even the most attentive driver. I've been on the M50 when everything suddenly came to a stop and the car was on the brakes before I was to the point the car behind me had to swerve into the hard shoulder one time.

    ACC also adjusts distance based on speed. Set distance to 1, you will be further away at 120kph than 60kph. I personally use distance 2. I'm regularly stuck in slow moving motorway traffic and ACC has no issues in sudden slowdowns. I'll use distance 3 in stop/start traffic as the braking is a bit smoother when carrying passengers and I don't want to change the ACC profile.

    Other cars can't even get auto headlights and wipers correct like VW, it's a silly claim to say their ACC doesn't work. I've been using ACC religiously for 7 years, the ID.3 implementation is even better than the Mk7.5 Golf. It has been around for well over a decade at this stage. What's more likely, someone has a dud car or the engineers at Bosch and VW don't know what they're doing?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,211 ✭✭✭✭fits


    it’s much much better than what’s on the Tesla. Incomparable.

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