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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Schools across Europe have been closing due to threats of attack made via email in recent months. It happened in Clare this week, through a hacked local email address. I would strongly suspect it's Russia behind all of this, it has happened in a lot of countries recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    He is a disgrace, there is no doubt about that. Meeting Putin, treating him like a normal leader of a country, is unforgiveable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Seems reasonable to me. I've always thought China is the one to get involved in any peace deal. It would be thus very awkward for either Russia or the EU to go back on its word.

    Frankly, by saying NATO membership for Ukraine was out, Hegseth just said what world+dog already knew for years. And when he ruled out US troop deployment, that was another thing everyone already knew. There was no way that was ever ever going to happen. And so that rules out EU deployment too - EU leaders have always stated that they would only deploy their own troops if given a guarantee that America would come to their aid if attacked.

    (I've wondered would the EU then demonstrate that they have failed to learn what Ukraine has learnt - that low-cost military and surveillance drones can make it impossible to bring in mass infantry. The Russians can only bring troops forward a few at a time - larger concentrations are immediately taken out).

    The EU and UK seems to be reeling from the statements of the obvious. Yesterday, they were insisting that Europe and Ukraine must be part of any negotiations. However EU policy was that any negotiations at all equalled appeasement, going as far as to sanction Hungary for meeting both Zelensky and Putin, and Ukraine's law was that negotiations were illegal. So I don't see why they're carrying on now.

    But then I see the UK saying: "We hear your concerns on stepping up for Ukraine, and we hear your concerns on stepping up for European security. We are and we will". And then Kallas with that bs "Weimar+" statement! This is posturing lunacy that wastes everyone's time. They were all very tough when they thought the US was standing behind them. Now… we'll see, won't we.

    Zelensky himself said "Security guarantees without America are not real security guarantees."

    Noone believes seriously that the UK and EU are going to continue the war on their own. And increase NATO spending to 5%? And put boots on the ground? Not a chance. Europe is already suffering from economic and budgetary pressures and a shift of public support to "non-establishment" parties. When is the German election again (that should be interesting to say the least)?

    Sheesh. A week in politics really is a short time. The news is like reading from a fire hose 🤨



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭Rawr


    A good point there. All going well Ukraine are likely going to become a cornerstone of Western European defense technology and training. Within the crucible of this Russian-designed stupidity, we have seen one reason why the Russian Federation is not the USSR. The USSR, had a Ukraine within it, building arms, tech and supplying troops. Ukraine was very much the brain that kept the old Soviet Empire ticking over with their innovation and skill.

    That now all goes to the EU. Ukraine want to be part of the EU, they see themselves increasingly as part of the wider European family, and there are mutual benefits across the board for such a link. European defence will benefit from Ukraine's on-hand experience with using Europe's arsenal in an actual war. Ukriane will gain access to a huge market for their goods, and EU structural funds to rebuild and upgrade themselves to an EU-standard. It is a win-win in that respect. If only the Russians hadn't insisted on being the knuckle-dragging nitwits that they keep showing themselves to be…they might have even benefited from that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    Put those two comments together and what do you get? I'm sure politicians who own 5 houses would be thrilled but working slobs like me who can't afford a house won't be as happy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Not to mention Poland and the Baltics are arming up at an exponential rate

    Even if Putin is tied up and has a bloody nose now, it doesn't necessarily mean it will be that way in e.g. 5 years

    Good overview here on how certain European countries are going ham on military spending



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Omg up 25% from from nearly all time low. A drop from 114 in dec to 90 now. But it was 40 back in 2014 before annexation Of Crimea. Not surprised you forgot to mention that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I guarentee you would like it even less if the Russian's felt emboldened enough to actually attack an EU member. Volitility in the economy is nothing compared to what would happen to all of it if the continent was put into a shooting war with the Russians.

    Defense against them is as much about maintaining our standard of living as it is about maintaining our living. The Russians have zero interest in your ability to afford a house nor have they any real interest in the health of Europe's economy beyond what they themselves can get out of it. If we maintain an effective military deterrent, the Russians would be less inclined or able to attack, and that is in the best interest of the purchasing power of working slobs such as you or I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Dont worry million of Russians across Europe will now happily go back to Russia

    Hopefully our friends of Russia are also shipped back

    he regularly does this drive by abuse of facts/statistics both here and parallel thread, when it’s pointed out time after time he moves onto next item on the firehose of shite

    Just keep calling out Russian amigos on their bullcrap which has consistency of running scutter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    That would be appropriate. Before the First world War, the phrase 'The Russian Steam-roller' was popularised, demonstrating other states exaggerated beliefs in Ruzzia's martial prowess and supposedly limitless resources and manpower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, difference between them and Ukraine is that they are protected by NATO, while Ukraine isn't, unfortunately. And so far, Putin has not made the mistake of attacking NATO outright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    If I recall correctly you predicted Europe would freeze and the world would starve in 2022 and have made all sorts of bonkers hysterical claims typically garnered from some very dodgy social media accounts, so that's a bit rich.

    The Rub was 113 in January. It's since come down due to Trump getting in and the potential for a settlement - it could easily flip the other way if that goes off the table. That's just the volatile exchange rate, Russia has nearly 10% inflation (possibly higher) while the rest of us are closing in on 2%. Last check Bank of Russia rate was 21%.

    If any modern economy was hitting those figures there'd be something very very wrong going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,022 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Are you serious?? Stand down his military once mssion accomplished??? Do you seriously think that if Putin succeeds in Ukraine ( he wont) thats it, end of story??? Just as soon as he can Putin will begin a program of rebuilding his military to be even stronger and more powerfull than it was before the invasion, using the experience hes gained from his war in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭carveone


    I didn't say anything about military deterrents. I said that the comments imply that Ukraine in the EU would result in lots of Ukrainians moving west.

    nor have they any real interest in the health of Europe's economy beyond what they themselves can get out of it

    Funny, I was thinking the same about our leaders. Decades of blistering incompetence leaving us unable to even keep the lights on in the country any more and they dare to lecture us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The US and multiple US presidents, Democrat and Republican, have spent decades pushing soft power, wielding the largest stick, etc. NATO is built on it, everything is built on it.

    That has radically changed in the short term, yes Europe needs to come to terms with it, yes we need to focus more on security (I'm a big backer of it) but Trump is highly volatile, he's only just back to power, and the polls were close right up to the election. If Harris had e.g. won we'd be in a completely different situation now.

    It's a difficult tune for the world to dance to.

    Trump has gone to Putin, said god knows what, and is blackmailing Ukraine for rare earth minerals. Maybe he'll take over Greenland, Panama and Gaza, maybe not. No one knows.

    Naturally Europe is concerned, naturally Europe can't flipflop whichever direction Trump does, naturally we can't play all his games and preempt all his whims.

    We aren't a super-state with a singular autocrat figure in charge, we are a multitude of countries with different systems. Change takes time. Countries have been spending dramatically more on military spending but it doesn't all happen overnight.

    And all of this could be a game by Putin. Which Trump doesn't take into account and doesn't care about - but we have to.

    We all want Putin's invasion to end, but not at the cost of giving him everything and opening the gates for another invasion in a few years time. All the while trying to please a volatile US president who couldn't point to Ukraine on a map and is currently a bull in a China shop.

    Speaking of China, yeah no, with their Taiwan conflict of interest, they'd be worse than Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Quite the opposite especially since millions are already here

    A prosperous and peaceful Ukraine would mean Ukrainians moving back, we seen it with the Poland

    If you are worried about your rent prices being high then go annoy your representative to kick out all them Russians in EU and migrants Russians drive and traffic into EU

    For some reason despite us being told BRICS are all the hot **** these days millions from those wonderful countries come here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I see Kaja Kallas is saying that any handshake deal between Trump and Putin and done behind the backs of Europe, NATO and Ukraine simply won't work : everyone has to be on board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    So last week, Trump threatened with annexation of Panama canal, Greenland, making Canada 51st state. Nothing happened. Now after phone calls with Putin and Zelensky everybody loses their sh!t, like Trump sold Ukraine. Nothing is signed yet, just a few days ago there were talks about lend lease. Relax people, you know Trump is full of poop, he might do a full 180deg turn tomorrow. But hes not wrong though, europe has to do more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    European countries right now should ship to Ukraine all their ammo and artillery ammunition and storm shadow missiles etc. If there is going to be a deal made that doesn't benefit Ukraine then Ukraine should make as much damage within that short period of time to hold the Russians back and inflict more damage before the agreement is made. There might be only a few weeks before there is an agreement made so get as much to Ukraine now and let them unleash it on the Russians as fast as they can before this happens as it might mean a few more villages etc. that remain in Ukraines position and not Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Virgil°




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    That’s a statement of the obvious as theoretically Ukraine and Europe can keep this war going until the last Russian and North Korean male is turned into dust

    But Russians are convinced they are at war with USA and can’t admit that Ukrainians kicked their ass, so no wonder they are happy to think it’s Trump who holds all the cards

    And tbh let em think that, if it means they go back home to terrorising each other

    All along in this war it was obvious that Putin can stop at anytime and go home and declare victory over imagined wrongs and his serfs would swallow any 💩 and their slurry hoses would propagate these myths

    Notice how whenever I asked they avoided answering the basic question of “what in Russian eyes constitutes as victory”

    They can’t answer that as the script was not handed down yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,077 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The majority of Ukraine's mineral resources are in Orc held areas, which includes 50% of the rare earths, so I'd take anything Trump says on this with a pinch of salt. He's going to get Putrid to hand back those areas so he can get his $500B worth of extortion how?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-zelensky-rare-earth-metals-b2693202.html

    I imagine Zelensky has been biting his tongue hard, because the US hasn't assisted Ukraine by anything remotely close to $500B. Obviously now isn't quite the right time to be correcting the madman, but it must be hard on his blood pressure.

    The United States has committed more than $66.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of the Biden Administration, including approximately $65.9 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on February 24, 2022.

    https://media.defense.gov/2025/Jan/09/2003626080/-1/-1/1/UKRAINE-FACT-SHEET-JAN-9-2025.PDF

    I think it bears repeating that the EU has provided more than half of the assistance Ukraine has received. The US is the single biggest contributor, but on the flip side, US arms sales to Europe have rocketed with the US getting 63% of the EU's defence expenditure, according to Mario Draghi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I say Zelensky is biting his tongue trying not to laugh at just how stupid Trump is

    genius move offering a highly transactional Trump something zelensky doesn’t have and if Trump wants to get he would need to get it somehow from the Russians who are occupying the minerals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    The only real point I'm making is that Trump turns on a dime. Now yeah the hulabaloo yesterday with Hegeseth and Trump basically handing away negotiating positions before negotiation begins isn't great but who knows what Trump will do tomorrow.

    The only real thing Trump is concerned with is seeming strong. He wants to show wins where he can. We saw him back down from the full scale Canadian tariffs in the space of a day and sell the whole thing as a victory despite the initial trade agreement being the there all along anyway.

    If Trump wants to say that he's getting 500 quadrillions of rare earth minerals to seem strong and the weapons keep flowing anyway then who really cares?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,209 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    All of Europe and Ukraine are being ignored and brushed aside as the US and Russia do a deal on Ukraine over our heads.

    European leaders across the board today expressing their dismay and anger but deep down they know we aren't at the table and won't be. Decisions are made for us.

    I'd hope people think about that the next time some lefty Irish 'peacenik' NATO military hater pontificates and moralises in the media.

    We are powerless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    We are not powerless

    We think we are powerless

    There’s a difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    why should UKr thrust any agreement that Trump hammers out with Putin when the US was the guarantor of a CAST IRON agreement re UKr sovereignty when UKr gave to Ru the ‘ keys’ of all of UKr nuclear arms and the US did not defend UKr when attacked it starting Feb 2022 - or for that matter going back to 2014.
    and ESPECIALLY now that TRUMP is in charge.
    I would no trust Trump to even push an empty pram not to say a pram with a child in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭8mv


    Is that the Frog on Liveline right now?

    Edit*
    No. my mistake.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    Trump is now just as senile as Biden was, he makes it up as he goes along then forgets what he has actually said or done earlier. I don't suppose the media will call him out for it the way that Biden was criticised.

    I wonder if he actually is being regularly medically assessed for his ability & competence for office by qualified US government medical professionals?

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