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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Id like to add to this if you don't mind. Whatever about making new tanks/helicopters etc... they've lost an incredible amount of highly trained crews and experience. The new tank replacements or refurbs and getting sent into battle with hastily trained crews who don't have the knowledge or experience to operate and maintain them successfully.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The donkeys, antiques and over-reliance on dumb munitions and WW2 tactics.

    putin has managed to utterly castrate their ability to wage war and the rest of the world is laughing at them, even trump has turned from reek to chic vs. putin, that's some spectacular fall from grace.

    But come on now, do you think it's likely that putins deflated army of untrained conscripts will get anywhere close to Odessa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    As Trump says, it's a stupid unnecessary war.

    General James Hecker's was saying the opposite to you.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/us-air-force-general-russia-military-larger-better-than-before-ukraine-invasion/7788601.html

    "Russia is getting larger, and they're getting better than they were before. … They are actually larger than they were when [the invasion] kicked off," Air Force General James Hecker told reporters at the Air & Space Forces Association's annual Air, Space & Cyber Conference.

    What would the commander of U.S. Air Forces in Europe know anyway. He clearly hasn't paid proper attention to oryxspioenkop, the famous publisher that produced one article in 2024 and describes himself as NATO/EU supporter and a former Bellingcat contributor on his twitter profile.

    Bellingcat — nothing suspicious about Belingcat at all —

    https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/30/bellingcat-collusion-western-intelligence/

    — the MI5 are the good guys — https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/stakeknife-fresh-leads-alleged-murders-britain-top-spy-ira-alarms-police-chief

    It's strange the independent Ukraine media funded by USAID didn't seem to have an interest in reporting General James Hecker's comments. Silly Hecker forgot to describe how Russia was sending people unable to walk to attack Ukraine's positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭macraignil


    I don't believe you. The information I posted in the point you are replying to has English translation in any case and clearly shows the level of destruction Ukraine has inflicted on putin's terrorists attacking their country.

    I do believe that putin's terrorists are treating their own badly even if you find that hard to believe yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    They are sending men who with no arms to fight on donkeys, didn't you hear?

    That's what happens when you blow your 5 or was it 6 or was it 7:1 tube artillery advantqge and lose 800,000 men vs Ukraines 40,000..

    Read all about it...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    What is this one quote supposed to prove?

    I would completely expect the Russian military to be larger now than it was in 2022. The same is true for Ukraine.

    I would also completely expect the Russian military to be getting better at some things compared to 2022, if they weren't, they would be beyond incompetent. Again, same as Ukraine.

    Getting better from a base point of being effectively useless for a supposedly well-funded and modern 21st century army as we saw in February 2022 doesn't say what you seem to think it says.

    That single quote does nothing to refute the obvious reality on the the ground in Ukraine, and the obviously reality about the war in a wider sense. Russia botched the invasion spectacularly in 2022 due to a combination of crap leadership, crap training, crap logistics, crap combined arms capability, etc.

    You can dance around the situation any way you please, but all you have to do is look at a map and whisper to yourself "This is the state of play in the third year of Russia's invasion of Ukraine".

    If you showed today's map to anyone in January 2022 you would be laughed out of the room or off the internet because it would be so absurdly unthinkable, and because it was inconceivable that the Russian military would perform so perfectly terribly.

    Experts across the world, including US military, literally never thought it could be possible for a military so reasonably well funded and equipped to perform so badly, no-one was giving Ukraine a chance.

    The biggest factor in Ukraine's success is Russian incompetence - I don't know why you're directly interpreting that as people saying that every Russian is stupid. From a military POV, the whole invasion has been a titantic botchjob for the history books due to military incompetence.

    You can pretend that this is all part of Putin's mastermind scheme to grind Ukraine down, but to quote Trumps infamous press person, that is presenting "alternative facts".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    As already replied to one of the other pro Russians that post here, the economy and scoiety of Ukraine incl. media depends on external aid (US/EU and other governments, IMF, UN I suppose as well) now to survive…and whose fault is that again exactly?

    Also I think other Russian "friends" have pointed out before (in fairness correctly) that you can't rely on the Ukrainian media to be giving all facts on certain issues around the war, and be as independent/unbiased as expected in a democracy at peace. Again with invasion by Russia threatening the future existence of the state, that is I think pretty normal.

    Not mentioning these facts and pushing the message you are here is done in bad faith.

    It's kind of funny as well because a if irc few days back you posted article by Sergei Lavrov himself (which I did not read in full…sorry!). You framed it like it was some piece of honest scholarship about the UN and the UN charter etc., and not just some Russian govt. propaganda, fit for the bin!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I think the Bingo card needs updating as we enter the 4th year

    I vote for “USAID” to be added to the list

    I still don’t get the fascination Orwell Road dwellers have with it



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Er.. what fronts were the Germans fighting up to 41's Barbarossa? My recall is that the Western front ended following the fall of France in 40. There was a brief skirmish of Britain. A small adventure in Africa then in 43, Italy

    You seem confused about who was late..

    I realise the Kremlin likes to rewrite history, but even they wouldn't claim to have taken Berlin in 1941. BTW the "small adventure in Africa" killed nearly half a million Allied and Axis troops.

    And I'm not confused about who was late. Nor am I confused about Moscow and Berlin's pre war pact to carve up Eastern Europe, starting with, but not confined to Poland(to "protect" Russian and German speakers. Sound familiar?). Never mind Moscow's supply of materiel to the nazi war machine which included over a million tonnes of grain, nearly a million tonnes of oil, half a million tonnes of iron ore, among other supplies like rubber and metals vital to the nazi war effort. In return the Soviets got a German cruiser, naval guns, aircraft, artillery among other war materiel. Oh and this was after WW2 had started in Europe in 1939. QV Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, the German–Soviet Commercial Agreement of 1940. The German tanks that drove across Western Europe were supported by Soviet oil and steel. I bet you won't find any of that in Russian history schoolbooks.

    We know Russia has the means to do what the US did.

    Actually we don't, and their performance since has shown this. They still don't have air superiority three years in. They can't even repel the first invasion of Russia since WW2. In Kursk of all places. Pretty good for a mish mash undermanned enemy and pretty bad for stronk Russia.

    Indeed, there was early peace talks until Boris was sent with his 'for as long as it takes' message

    Ah the oul Boris gambit. It's been a while. Problem is said peace talks went on for weeks after Boris had left. Kremlin spin only came up with the Boris gambit many months after the event. Their first spin on the retreat from Kiev was a "tactical feint", now memory holed like so much of their spin. Never mind that the same Boris was so involved with Russian "interests" in Britain that his own intelligence services expressed concerns and publicly.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Correct it is a unnecessary war. It's an invasion by one side to grab land, which can be ended at any time of that sides choosing.

    Oryx is a site that uses visual confirmation of losses on both sides. A leak of Russian losses in 2022 showed it was within around 10% of actual losses (it'll always be an undercount)

    Bellingcat is an independent OSINT investigation site which helped uncover e.g. the men who poisoned the Skripals, and e.g. did extensive investigation work on the shooting down of MH17

    In complete contrast:

    The Grayzone is an anti-Western, anti-NATO blog site which spreads pro-Russian and pro-authoritarian info. They claimed that Ukrainian forced "staged" the bombing of the Mariupol theatre and that the Ukrainians used human shields. That Assad didn't use chemical weapons. It's garbage tier nonsense lapped up by Putin apologists and supporters.

    Posters have been endlessly patient with you in this threads - I thought for a moment your posts might be turning a corner, nope.

    Again here's the description of the term Campist because it's highly relevant in these threads

    "A leftist who supports any country/organization simply for being opposed to the United States or the West, including authoritarian governments who would otherwise not follow leftist beliefs."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Yes. I think our latest "concerned centrist" has had more than enough to eat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I am gonna call yourself out on this weird coordinated “concern” with USAID that this week yourself and few adjacent amigos have been showing

    Over in parallel thread you are crying crocodile tears about a certain Middle Eastern city being destroyed, yet fail to acknowledge the role and millions that USAID played in keeping the inhabitants of that destroyed city alive and fed for over a year now (while the neighbouring Arab/muslim countries do nothing)

    Thanks for highlighting that you don’t actually care about the current affairs of these two wars (in both this and parallel thread) and it’s just another wedge issue that Russians are using to drive divisions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Thank christ he's nearly 80 and we'll surely be rid of him off this earth soon enough. An absolute stain on humanity.

    Imagine looking at your neighbour's house on fire and, before turning on your garden hose you stop and ask him what you'll get out of it if you do help him.

    But worse than that analogy, Ukraine are the only ones paying in lives and limbs to push back at the aggression of one of the USA's traditional global adversaries. Other than Russia and China, the US would essentially have no global military opposition since every other military power is broadly aligned with them.

    But no, "what's in it for me??"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What's that now… dredging through the scraps of 60 years ago for an analogy? And not even a good one. If you were using Cuba as an analogy, Putin would have had to be looking at the US directly ratcheting up its military presence in Ukraine, docking vessels in port and helping to construct missile launch sites which might pose a direct threat to Russia. AND you'd have to ignore the fact that the US and Cuba were already militarily flexing their muscles at each other. Whereas Ukraine… a military threat to Russia in the year 2022… what a comedian.

    Good job on trying to derail the thread with your anti USA vendetta though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭yagan


    I'd ignore everything Trump says regarding Ukraine as he's as likely to pivot mid sentence to asking why can't the US have Scotland?

    They call it "flooding the zone", but in dementia homes it's just another day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like Ukraine are heading for a gas crisis in the next month, possibly other places in Europe as well this coming year. Very important time the next couple of months and hopefully it warms up a bit.

    Ukraine's storage is now under 10% and a big part of it's gas infrastructure was destroyed at Poltava the other night in a missile attack.

    After Zelensky cut Ukraine and Slovakia off from Russian gas supply which pushed Dutch TTF prices up 40% they now are paying far more from EU countries whose storage is also dwindling pushing up prices of gas and electricity up further.

    Slovakia managed to get supply from Gazprom and have enough now the Turks have helped out also with transit. However transit of the EU gas to Ukraine now comes through Slovakia.

    Fico commented on it in a video yesterday

    "Gas has been flowing to Ukraine through a reverse pipeline for several days now. Gas without which Ukraine will freeze.

    Slovakia plays no role in this. The suppliers are foreign companies. However, we have the moral right to consider methods for stopping foreign supplies to Ukraine in the amount of about 7.5 million cubic meters per day," Fico said.

    These supplies put even more pressure on the price of gas on the European market, Fico added.

    So not only have they cut themselves off from cheap Russian gas and lost transit fees, they now have to pay far more like everyone in Europe will and pray the country they cut off does not cut them off.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭strathspey


    Oh, worse than that. My grandmother from the old Czechoslovakia, used to call ruZZians 'white n**gers'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Yet another thinly veiled “Europe is gonna freeze” threat

    Forgetting that this didn’t work the last time Russians tried it

    And yet again you selectively misrepresent economic data

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Can you make a single coherent point in any of your posts? You say it's interesting that Iraq is mentioned and then proceed to explain why or provide any rebuttal of the point that was made.

    There's no need to swallow any patent horseshit… the evidence is right in front of people's eyes… 3 years in and look where the mighty Russia is… reduced to relying on internet posters trying to present being bogged down in WW1 era fighting for metres here and there as a success and intended tactic.

    You seem so angry and yet there's not a single condemnation from you or the likes of the 'concerned' engineer who likes your posts of Putin's invasion, his targeting of civilian homes, the evidenced execution of civilians, the ongoing targeting of non-military, civilian energy infrastructure.

    You can't even bring yourself to condemn the starting of this war by Putin. A war which most in the West thought was never really going to come about because clearly Ukraine was not a threat and all this huffing and puffing about NATO could be resolved in the usual diplomatic channels as such issues had been for decades.

    So blinded by some bizarre anti-US outlook that you can't even bring yourself to condemn what every other right thinking person can see clearly as a war crime.

    What a hero you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr


    Same Tankie's different day



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr


    Terrible terrible, Ukraine are going to freeze, if only they had some other means of energy …

    like LNG deliveries, that they have been getting since December, or connections to EU electricity grid not via Slovakia… if only they existed (little secret here, they already do)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What a fantastic word salad… can anyone decipher what he's asking/ claiming??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    That reminds me about the Russian colony in Transnistria

    Who are freezing

    They rejected free EU money, and will buy gas via EU pipelines from a Hungarian company that comes from US / Norwegian gas supplies (hey look US aid is heating Russians)

    aside: This Russian Mir Russian colony in Moldova has a gdp per capita of $2,584 which puts this sliver of Russian paradise in same league as Congo and Haiti

    Aside 2: the free EU money would have raised their gdp by 8% 😳



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    I suppose my view is that: if Russia had no reason to restrain itself then Ukraine would be a smoking wreck.

    It wouldn't be beyond its capabilities to do similar to what the US did in Iraq: flatten all infrastructure so as to snowplough for an quick rollover.

    I'm not convinced by the 'argument' that the Russians are stupid - anymore than I'm convinced that Ukraine, with an acknowledged deficit in all areas (but most significantly artillery) has inflicted 800K KIA on the Russians

    The 'stupid' argument is itself entirely stupid.

    So: if stupidity isn't the reason why Ukraine isn't a smoking wreck then we must suppose some other restraint.

    There are amy number of plausible options here. And probably a combination of options why Russia showed restraint.

    Russia isn't the USSR. We might suppose then that human wave tactics wouldn't go down well anymore in Russia than they would in any other country (we saw what body bags coming home did to the US effort in Vietnam).

    Russia might have an eye on what the non-Western part of the world would think where they to level Ukrainian infrastructure (think what the world thinks of Israel in Gaza). They have markets in those parts of the world to consider too.

    Therefore a conventional, stand off attritional war makes complete sense. Use your patent overmatch to pick off your opponent at a comfortable distance - something that enables very favourable loss ratios.

    The fixed fortification set up of Ukraines defence strategy makes this a most appropriate option. Pound into the dust from a safe distance, mop up, move on.

    Your 'look what they've achieved in three years' is just another way of saying 'land grab = success"

    Whereas the point of war is to destroy you enemies ability to present military opposition. The land can come later - indeed, you can have as much of it as you like once your enemy is rendered incapable of holding onto it.

    I do think the US a malign influence on the world. And that malignancy expressed itself in a proxy war in Ukraine. Yes, Russia started it - but only in the sense of one gang member cornered by a trio of members of another gang and deciding attack was the best form of defence.

    Condemnation isn't the appropriate device here: that would suppose someone right and someone wrong. I see this as mere geopolitics. But if forced to condemn I would condemn a US foreign policy that seeks to leverage dominant power over the entire globe. Whatever about malignancy, global imperialism is the most malign of all.

    This doesn't mean I'm a fan of Putin's Russia. It just sees geopolitical reality playing out where a global malign influence took on a smaller global malign influence and miscalculated.

    Ukraine pays the price (which isn't unusual where the US is involved)

    So: attritional, stand off warfare: a perfectly logical approach by a super (small s) power testing the resolve and capability of a Western-backed proxy.

    There is no reason for Russia to do anything different that what it is doing (maxim: when your enemy is digging a hole for themselves, don't stop them digging)

    The West has been found out to be something of a paper tiger.

    Not able to generate the weaponry or manpower for a high intensity, conventional war (revealed to an embarrassing extent).

    If Russia can be faulted for laying hope on the shock of a dash to Kiev, the West can be faulted for thinking a hotch potch of mothballed /past its sell by date / limited quantity war materiel would cause Russia to fold.

    The West gambled. The West lost. Its over bar for the attrition.

    That attrition can take as long as it takes. Only a fool, who wasn't having to shed his own blood, would require that it happen quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Russia "restained itself" did it? Was that push to take Kiev was them "restraining" themselves? The West is a "paper tiger"?

    Here's how it appears when you don't apply Orwell Road's filter to the past 3 years since the Putin's first attempt on Kiev. What we saw was a poorly informed gamble to take Kiev with blitzkrieg tactics and decapitate the Ukrainian state. The Russians didn't count on the Ukrainians having enough fighting spirit to repulse their attempt on the capital, and the Kremlin had been badly misinformed about the quality of their very best troops. They were forced into an embarrising retreat while they lost scores of senior commanders early in the conflict due to them having to mirco-manage their own troops at the front. As it turned out, the "second best" military in the world was made almost entirely of conscripts, with only athin corps of career officers to lead them in battle. The rest had left over the years to seek their fortune with the Wagners.

    Putin is the one who gambled and lost. He contines to lose each day this goes on, which is why the Russian propaganda machine is so energized in churning out opinions like the one being shared by certain people online.

    Now we have a Ukraine that is being armed with second-hand 90's era NATO gear, while NATO proper still maintains its latest equipment. Meanwhile, the Russians have been reduced form Soviet stocks from the 80s, 70s, 60s, 50s…to finally civilian Ladas and donkeys. They are using up equally old munitions while risking the launching systems that use them. Once those systems are gone, they have very little capacity to replace them.

    Russia tried it's best in 2022 to annex Ukraine. They failed, and contunue to fail…much like these failed attempts to swing our opinion with these Potemkin Fanatasies of a failed West, and a Mighty Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Since Trump has come in weapon's have continued to flow into Ukraine and the Russians are currently struggling to advance. Is this a knock on effect of Russia going all out before the election to make as many gains as possible? They're certainly stalled in Kursk right now which they want to retrieve the most.

    There was talk that once Trump won the election or got in that aid was arriving at an unbelievable pace. Could be a combination of both factors but here's hoping February continues to be a miserable month for the Russian's. I've no doubt though that more aid to completely stall the Russians is the only way to make them rethink.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Not Russia just like Trasnistria

    And despite the best efforts of Russian Nazis still not freezing like Russians themselves are



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I am not sure even Putin himself could bring himself to type such an absolute crockpot of pure waffle divorced from reality.



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