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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • #7112
    Virgil°
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160469#Comment_123160469

    The amount of patent horseshit that has been dished up for consumption is truly hard to fathom. That it has been gulped down so readily even more so.

    Read your own words. When you're done. Read them again.

    Now try the following phrase in your head at least once a day: "Maybe the problem is not everyone else but me". You'll get there yet friend.



  • #7113
    j62
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160469#Comment_123160469

    I see you avoided answering the question of what your Russia considers as a measurement towards of victory in a war you lot have started

    Yet expect others to answer your “questions”



  • #7114
    vswr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭vswr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160469#Comment_123160469

    Lukashenko said Russia would be able to take Kiev in 3-4 days, in an interview early Feb 2022 (before the war).

    When the spearhead forces were captured/destroyed, parade uniforms were found along with minimal supplies (indicating they were expecting a quick ending and expecting to parade soon).

    Also, US army chief of staff's at the time predicted Kiev could fall in 72hrs (later revised to 96hrs just after the start of the war)…

    So all things being equal, and 72hrs coming from the US and Lukashenko, along with intel gained from spearhead units, there was probably credible intel/info at the time supporting this theory the Moscow thought they could do it in 3days.

    But direct admission, no….. However, Putin did say he could do it from the Donbass in 2 weeks, in 2014…

    Bearing in mind the 2 mains forces to take Keiv were the airborne force at Hostomel (failed) and the column coming south from Belarus (2 hrs direct drive, failed and irradiated).

    Had they succeeded, 2-4 days was easily do-able.



  • #7115
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123158975#Comment_123158975

    While they certainly seem to have increased, these "appeals to the czar" were a thing even before this war. Like all nations have political and cultural trends that are often quite deep, and not unlike how we in Ireland tend to vote parochially and have a gra for political dynasties and cute hoors, in Russia this is a general thing going way back. Along with the "bad boyars, good czar" mentality. Where the local lord's rule breaks down and the peasants feel it, appeal to the king far away to intercede kinda thing.

    Before and since this war kicked off among Russians I know putin is admired in a way quite alien to the average Irish person. He's seen as the man who got them out of the scarily bad 90's(pretty much true, but not exactly in a way most Western Europeans would feel comfortable with) and gave Russia back her pride after the 90's. When I have heard him being questioned it's along the lines of "he doesn't go hard enough", whether that be with corruption, geopolitics, big projects that take too long, or this invasion. In rare moments were criticism comes up(long legacy of keeping one's mouth shut as a survival thing I suppose, with added near messianic patriotism) pretty much all said criticism is levelled at those around the throne. Putin is the axle of the nation in a way very few world leaders are, and in a way currently populist ones like Trump with his MAGA following could only dream of.

    Though as history has shown us if such axles start to squeak too loudly it's rarely too long before the wheels come off.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #7116
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Hmmmmm I can smell the bull crap coming from Trump and Putin I honestly think Ukraine are going to get rightly fucked over by these 2 tossers.

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  • #7117
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160738#Comment_123160738

    History with the Czar. But is that not the way in all dictatorships the world has seen. You don't and can't criticize the dictator. You can but you'll know your fate stripped naked in a siberian prison courtyard dying from hypothermia.



  • #7118
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160469#Comment_123160469

    Unfortunately the grind down has turned the russian army to dust and exposed their weak underbelly to the world for all other world powers to tickle at will.

    All while their border with NATO has increased dramatically, their pipelines are all pointing the wrong way (without the intelligence to build it themselves) and they've decimated their future growth by killing off their younger generation.

    This has been a complete and utter disaster for russia, the only reason it's still going is they are all too afraid of being defenestrated by putin.

    What's funniest is to see a clown like trump now dictating what putin can and can't do and putin powerless to reply.

    Big winner in all this will be China.

    (that Serge map is hysterical, there's more chance of a flat-earther proving their world view than russia being likely to approach Odessa, they'll be conscripting babies at their current rate of mincing through their troops).



  • #7119
    Wibbs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160469#Comment_123160469

    The Wehrmacht collapsed an hour from Berlin a month before the war ended?

    So what were they doing from the time of Stalingrad (feb 43), approx 1400 miles away. If not a fighting hopless retreat.

    The point is: first grind down. Then take the land. This to folk who seem to think land taken is victory. It is - but only in the sense that the defeat happened much earlier.

    Using WW2 is not a great look strategically for the Soviets(we'll draw a discrete veil over them coming two years late to the party…). Yes they got to Berlin, but ignoring the Germans fighting on multiple fronts and Lend-lease, it was through the "grind" of Soviet troops. By war's end the Soviets had killed nearly a million German troops, the Germans just over a million Soviets(NB Troops, not Germany's murderous tally of Soviet civilians, men, women and children). Roughly a one to one hideous ratio. Except the Germans fielded half the troops of the Soviet union, so the actual tally is more like two to one(more like five to one in the first year).

    Its interesting you point to Iraq: a country which was bombed to hell amd back for 44 days before the Yanks set foot in the place. Roads, electrical infrastructure, pumping stations, railroads, logistics, fortifications, communications. Destroyed so as to paralyse.

    You don't think Russia hadn't the means to do that? Or were too thick amd preferred human wave techniques instead

    OK then: If Russia had the means to take out logistics and military infrastructure in the weeks leading up to putting their men's boots on the ground and didn't, it either means they screwed up tactically in a ridiculous way, or they didn't have the means in the first place. There's no third option I'm afraid.

    The evidence strongly suggests the latter, though with a large sideorder of the former. It was pretty clear by their initial thrusts they a) hoped the locals would be more amenable to them and they'd have far more local support and far less local resistance. We all remember in the opening weeks the invading Russian forces giving way to local traffic, even exchanges with locals joking that they'd gotten lost and b) their many kilometre long armoured column and attempt to take the airbase outside Kiev would both secure a bridgehead and intimidate the Ukrainians to just give up the ghost. Three years later we can clearly see that didn't work. So now we're down to WW1 style trench warfare with 21st century drones.

    I await the usual phrase in use in Kremlin speak since things started to go awry for them: "Well, let's wait and see".

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #7120
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,462 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Shenanigans taking place behind the scenes

    https://twitter.com/InsiderGeo/status/1889422705793073257

    https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1889416893599015057

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #7121
    protexblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160949#Comment_123160949

    Er.. what fronts were the Germans fighting up to 41's Barbarossa? My recall is that the Western front ended following the fall of France in 40. There was a brief skirmish of Britain. A small adventure in Africa then in 43, Italy

    You seem confused about who was late..

    We know Russia has the means to do what the US did. They might have wanted a contained war, fearing of threading too heavily and spooking NATO into action? Maybe they thought they could spook Ukraine into a quick climbdown with a show of force? Indeed, there was early peace talks until Boris was sent with his 'for as long as it takes' message

    Stupidity? I mean really..?

    So now its grinding attrition against a country which can never raise the weapons and manpower to resist. A country who has to return a mish mash battle worn armoured vehicles all the way to Poland for refit (a tank has about 3 hours of battle-exposure in it before major refit required. Whereas Russia is fighting on home turf...

    Quite how anyone can believe this other than a foregone conclusion...



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  • #7122
    engineerws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160121#Comment_123160121

    There's been several pieces by Moon examining the Russia running out narrative, e g.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/10/russia-having-run-out-of-missiles-launches-barrage-on-ukraine.html

    More recently in July of last year, the economist points to Russia running out.

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/07/16/russias-vast-stocks-of-soviet-era-weaponry-are-running-out

    But 5 months later the new statesman says Russia is going to win despite running out of weapons.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2024/12/the-year-ahead-2025-russia-win-war-in-ukraine

    I don't think Russia is running out of weapons. It's army is now more organised according to many commentators. It looks like Russia will take the four oblasts and probably then some and finally force whatever surrender terms it wants on the government of Ukraine. But who knows, Ukraine are still fighting and the war has gone on for a very long time. Maybe Ukraine will force them back and out of Crimea but just doesn't look that way to me.

    Post edited by engineerws on


  • #7123
    CelticRambler
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    Woohooo, we've ticked the "Boris" box!

    Just waiting for a nukes reference before I call Bingo.



  • #7124
    engineerws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160469#Comment_123160469

    The Ukrainian army is now bigger than the Russian army according to Zelenski

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraines-army-now-larger-russias-kyiv-2015916

    The Ukrainian president specified that the 880,000 Kyiv soldiers protect the entire country, while Russia's troops are concentrated in certain areas. The size of Ukraine's army now is a significant increase from 2023, as Zelensky had said that Kyiv's armed forces consisted of 600,000 soldiers.

    Makes you wonder why Biden wanted to lower the draft age.



  • #7125
    protexblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161324#Comment_123161324

    What did Zelensky say when asked "protecting the rest of the country from what, precisely?"

    If all Russias forces are concentrated then why deploy your troops against an unlikely invasion by Romania?



  • #7126
    protexblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161293#Comment_123161293

    Point being: a lightly manned prod towards Kiev brought Ukraine to the table.

    Maybe the Russians aren't as thick as **** afterall.



  • #7127
    protexblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    What possible hint is there that Ukraine can force anything? All I seem to see is one cauldron after another with Ukraine pushed back to their last (and weakest) lines of prepared defence.

    After that its fighting retreat and that never augers well



  • #7128
    Avatar in the Post
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    wow. Someone found some rubles down the back of the couch. Feels like the last days before the fall of the Roman Empire.



  • #7129
    macraignil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭macraignil


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161341#Comment_123161341

    Maybe the armed forces of Ukraine want to protect their people from putin's terrorists attacking them as they have been doing for years now.

    Why are you suggesting Romania would want to act like putin's terrorist state?

    Are you spamming this discussion thread with pro putin h***esh*t because you don't want to end up like the russian victims of putin, highlighted in this article:

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-sends-wounded-soldiers-into-battle-near-pokrovsk/



  • #7130
    protexblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭protexblue


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123160877#Comment_123160877

    Speaking of flat earth:

    Can you explain to all here gathered how Russia, with an acknowledged serious overmatch in artillery (and everything else from tanks to manpower to ISR to missiles to logistical infrastructure) get ground into the dust by Ukraine?

    You either believe in:

    - human wave for the sheer sport of it?

    - A rerun of the biblical story of David & Goliath

    ...for it's certainly not based on an appreciation of elementary mathematics



  • #7131
    Avatar in the Post
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161324#Comment_123161324
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161341#Comment_123161341

    Just checking ye lads have been told that Ukraine has invaded Russia and have been swanning around in your backyard for over 6 months. Kind of makes a mockery of your ‘Russia actually super strong really, just you wait…’



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  • #7132
    engineerws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161293#Comment_123161293

    haha. Funny joke😂🤣



  • #7133
    engineerws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161382#Comment_123161382

    A high quality source. No way is it paid for by USAID to say stuff that the USA thinks should be said. In fact, maybe it's the Russia's who are paying them now.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/02/08/ukrainian-russian-independent-media-face-closure-as-us-halts-usaid-critical-funding/


  • #7134
    engineerws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161408#Comment_123161408

    Not sure what you are talking about, was out in my backyard earlier and no signs of Ukranian's invading it.

    My guess was that Russia despite the losses it has taken, has not run out of weapons and will defeat Ukraine but as I commented previously, it appears I may be wrong as Zelensky has recently said that the Ukraine army is now bigger than the Russian one.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraines-army-now-larger-russias-kyiv-2015916

    I have to agree with Trump, it's horrendous to see so many young people dying. It's a stupid war that never should have started.



  • #7135
    Virgil°
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161396#Comment_123161396

    I've read this post a few times now and it barely even makes sense in English.

    Can you explain to all here gathered how Russia, with an acknowledged serious overmatch in artillery (and everything else from tanks to manpower to ISR to missiles to logistical infrastructure) get ground into the dust by Ukraine?

    Because they're incompetant or corrupt or any number of things? They've had 3 years now and they've moved approximately 20km into Donetsk from where they started. Lost Kharkiv and East Kherson. They're also currently actively losing more of Kursk(amount unknown) and have been unable to dislodge Ukraine from a chunk of Russia for 6 months.

    You think they'd be using golf buggies or men on crutches to charge front line positions if they were doing as well as you say?

    Sorry comrade but it's you who has to explain the Russian armies utterly pathetic results, DESPITE all their supposed advantages.

    - human wave for the sheer sport of it?

    Again this is barely English. Are you using google translate or something?

    -Russia have been confirmed on camera numerous times to be using human waves. Its not a matter of belief. Its fact.

    - A rerun of the biblical story of David & Goliath

    -What the **** are you even talking about? Do you even know?

    ...for it's certainly not based on an appreciation of elementary mathematics

    You might want to work on your elementary English language before attempting to school anyone here on anything friend.



  • #7136
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161354#Comment_123161354

    Oooooh … that's dangerously close to "Russia was holding back so as to avoid civilian casualties."



  • #7137
    smokingman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭smokingman


    Let's face it, everyone needs to go on truth social and tell trump he needs to be the greatest American hero since the start of the cold war and destroy what all the republicans since have tried and failed.

    He'll totally go for that with his ego



  • #7138
    macraignil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭macraignil


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161433#Comment_123161433

    You seem to be implying that Ukraine finding evidence of putin's terrorists in Ukraine mistreating their own people needs to be funded from some external source as if they need a helping hand to do this and can't do things on their own. Maybe that is why putin has flushed so much of the resources of the russian federation into a land grab as they can't understand the concept of Ukraine as an independent country able to defeat terrorists:

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  • #7139
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161396#Comment_123161396

    Can you explain to all here gathered how Russia … get ground into the dust by Ukraine?

    Have you not been keeping up with the news this last year? Or do you just not believe that Russia used to have an operational Black Sea fleet and now they don't? That they used to have an army kitted out with relatively modern tanks and now they don't? That they used to have a lucrative oil supply to the whole of Europe and now they don't? That they used to be self-sufficient in refined petroleum products and now they're not? That they used to be fully in control of the entire Russian Federation and now they're not?

    What part of your elementary mathematics explains how Russia is winning when every measurable metric is worse than it was three years ago? Ten thousand tanks and nearly a million men killed or seriously wounded, and they control less of Ukraine and less of Russia than then. What's going to change that downward trajectory?

    Post edited by CelticRambler on


  • #7140
    engineerws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭engineerws


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161531#Comment_123161531

    I'm afraid I don't read Russian.

    Seems to be some mixup. I was commenting on how USAID would mean that journalists posing as independent were not really independent if reliant on funds from USAID, and this article that you posted:

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russia-sends-wounded-soldiers-into-battle-near-pokrovsk/

    “The trick is that they all realize this is a one-way ticket, but they keep crawling as if under hypnosis to be slaughtered by drones,” Butusov wrote.

    Say no more….

    Post edited by engineerws on


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  • #7141
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123161275#Comment_123161275

    Glad to see you've changed your tune slightly and are reading from multiple sources

    Russia will never "run out" of munitions, but what has been happening is they are running low or lower on certain armaments or munitions and have had to use less or switch tactics.

    Have a scroll through this, the losses are staggering (visually confirmed losses)

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

    Both sides are degraded, but Russia obviously never planned on having to dig this deep into it's stocks. The modern T80 tanks are down something like 80%.

    It's the historical equivalent of Germany only managing to invade a fifth of Poland after 3 years and losing more than half it's military machines and equipment



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