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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Ratcheting up of sanctions especially around oil

    Is there really serious scope for this? I'd be surprised if Biden wasn't already pulling most of the levers available to an American president in this area…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Yes Kellogg specifically said current sanctions on oil are “3 out of 10”

    There is a lot that can be done to strangle and destroy Russian oil industry directly and indirectly

    For one there are hundreds of ships not yet sanctioned, and then can apply secondary sanctions to make companies and countries chose between trade with Russia or trade with anyone else

    And it directly helps Trumps agenda of drill baby drill (and helps his Saudi buddies)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭yagan


    Does it really matter when Russia is having problem fulfilling its own oil needs?

    Of course Donny will say his sanctions are magnificent, the best, outstanding and everyone loves them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Who keeps occupied Kursk land?

    Trump cannot grant EU membership, and Ukraine is a long way from being EU ready. Do they get 90%-100% of regional funds considering how far they are behind the EU?


    Russia is using Donkey’s and buggies for infantry, but they get to keep the land they have occupied and largely destroyed, after coming committing war crimes, but get the vast mineral wealth and good agricultural land? Putin effectively gets 80-90% of what he wanted, which will embolden him/successor to go further. Basically, this sets a precedent whereby Russia can attack a European country, commit war crimes, and yet the Russian rich benefit. What could go wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭riddles


    it was always a balance between ending the war without crippling Russia to a point what comes after Putin is not worse if that is possible. There is not much room for Putin to negotiate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Ukraine is operating a war of saving lives and drawing the Russians on them and wearing down the Russian war machine. We're at figures now of unprecedented russians dead since ww2. Putin is sacrificing the nation's male population to bring about Dugin's vision. If they keep what they have then Putin has won and he'll be adding "The Great" behind his name. His successors again in the future again will see this adventure as worth it.

    The Ukrainian strategy is to kill as many Russians as possible. It's how they drove the Russians back from the outskirts of Kiev knowing they had stretched themselves and it broke with retreat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yes Kellogg specifically said current sanctions on oil are “3 out of 10”

    Well of course he's going to be saying suchlike, I was wondering was there any basis to it.

    There is a lot that can be done to strangle and destroy Russian oil industry directly and indirectly

    For one there are hundreds of ships not yet sanctioned, and then can apply secondary sanctions to make companies and countries chose between trade with Russia or trade with anyone else

    Surprised Biden hasn't already initiated most of this. Seems a fairly obvious and pain-free set of steps for America to take in this context.

    Of course Donny will say his sanctions are magnificent, the best, outstanding and everyone loves them.

    Or to simplify in terms Mr Kellogg might be familiar with

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    Trump will come up with all sort of nonsense surrounding how this will end but only one thing will remain consistent and that's that someone else will pay for it.

    He's like the auld fella that shows up to the local sports club social, eats the free food, bitches and moans about the state of the pitch, the clubhouse and how everyone on the board is a tosser but he'll refuse to even buy a club lotto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭yagan


    There were no good germans?

    Have you seen the clips of Russian soldiers freezing on the spot when the hear a drone approaching? Those know it's the end, they know the war is futile and now just stand still awaiting their death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I thought they would freeze because they were told to do that

    As drones get lower they lose signal and some now have software to detect human movements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    That amk mapping guy is not a reliable source. Hes a 17yo pro russian living in NZ. Not saying that hes wrong or lying in this post, but pro russian sources come up with an imaginary ukr gains quite regularly and obviously later ru forces "destroy" them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    New sanctions tend to be plugging gaps or workarounds found in the previous sanctions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭yagan


    This is not Jurassic park.

    There was a clip about a month ago of a Russian who talked about asking the "angel" to come, but the drone operator spared him and had him follow the drone so he could surrender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah that would have been my (uninformed) assumption. But surely if that's pretty much all these 'new sanctions' Kellogg is talking about amount to, they're very unlikely to be the game changer he & Trump are looking for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    ..and then the usual suspects post about "concerning developments" on the front, even though much of it never happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Unless the drone is on fiber then it likely to lose signal closer to ground, regularly see it in videos

    Which is why Ukrainians been working on final aiming recognition software

    No doubt some of the Russians do just give up, there are countless videos where they shoot or frag themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Trumps National security advisor Mike Waltz was interviewed on Meet the press this morning.

    Among other things he talked about this weeks upcoming talks, USAID, recouping costs through resources and security guarantees to be solely Europe's responsibility.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,082 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Kellogg and Trump can want all they like, but someone seems to have completely different ideas;

    Russia continues to develop its military capabilities, indicating that the Kremlin is not interested in negotiations or a lasting peace with Ukraine, the US-based Institute for the Study of War (ISW) writes in a new report. Analysts recalled the statement of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who, citing Ukrainian intelligence, said on February 8 that Russia is creating new army divisions, developing military production and plans to increase the number of troops by more than 100,000 troops, as well as to deepen military cooperation with North Korea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭yagan


    There is no shortage of Ukrainian drones clips showing close quarter maneuvers below the head hight of their target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,232 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I’d imagine once the orcs hear the hum of the drone, they know it’s game over for them, so perhaps they feel it’s better to simply stand still to aid the drone pilot achieve an ‘instant kill shot’, as they’ve probably seen plenty of videos of their fellow orcs dying slow painful deaths when they’ve tried to drone dodge and just end up with a ‘partial hit’..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭yagan


    That's the thing, not go to front and get executed, go to the front with a donkey and at least hope to taken prisoner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This is where Trump needs big sticks. I'm expressing skepticism that threats of sanctions can be that and Trump has previously expressed opposition to upping the ante militarily.

    So until he comes up with something and Russia continues to inch forward on the battletfield, I'm thinking Putin will be thumbing his nose at him…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 845 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    They must have raided a zoo or something…

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    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1888628814051164638



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    There's a bit more I think they can do to Russia sanctions/economics wise.

    Go after 3rd countries "busting" the sanctions, getting critical Western made or Western developed technology to Russia for weapons production.

    Go after Western companies and the officers of these companies that are not being careful enough in ensuring they are following sanctions i.e. make some examples, fine companies, convict officers of the companies.

    Sanction everything, no matter the product. Drugs, medical equipment, food, the whole lot (I don't believe that has been done as yet??). Anything (goods/services) US/European developed/produced that Russia can buy, sanction it and make it harder/dearer for them to get it.

    There's all the rusty old hulks Russia uses to transport oil to Asia. More could be banned from EU waters, and obstructed with suitable red tape, like environmental inspections and such.

    The US and Europeans never had the stomach for such measures because it damages their own economies, it disrupts and damages global trade more severely & deeply, and corporate/wealthy interests will not like it.

    In the case of going after Russia's oil export industry much more directly to choke it, it could further damage the global economy by increasing oil prices. Also Russia may see it as escalation and respond somehow (e.g. if they start interfering with transit of Russian shipping by banning or seizing dangerous vessels Russia transports oil in for example).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    you might be on to something. There’s zero chance of Ukraine showing vids at least of killing donkeys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    We must flood Ukraine with weapons

    Well just two months ago he rejected this approach in the strongest possible terms

    "It's crazy what's taking place. It's crazy. I disagree very vehemently with sending missiles hundreds of miles into Russia. Why are we doing that? We're just escalating this war and making it worse. That should not have been allowed to be done,"

    And AFAIK has given no public indication of resiling from that position (although some around him have)

    Now he's not a man for consistency in policy matters but his pride will make him reluctant to do a total reverse ferret on such a key position in such a short period…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,016 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    He ignores it. He'll pick a "solution" to the war and then that's it. Whether it will favour Putin or favour Ukraine we don't know yet, and if his "solution" doesn't work, he'll blame one or both sides and move on.

    He doesn't have principles, he doesn't have an ounce of humanity, so it will boil to down to whomever "gets through" to Trump's narcissistic/"art of the deal" tendencies.

    That's why there is some random hope for Ukraine. Putin would never do a deal with anyone else and Trump is notoriously random. It could be a semi decent deal for Ukraine or it could be absolutely horrendous.



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